The details of TN troops being allowed to carry
It doesn’t look too great. Many restrictions.
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August 7th, 2015 at 12:29 pm
While I don’t agree with the restrictions, I can see the reasoning. The troops aren’t being authorized to carry for “self-defense” against crime as they carry off duty, but rather to help ensure some weapons are available to hand to be used in case of a terrorist attack.
An attacker won’t know who if anyone is armed, general deterrance, and presumably the weapon can be accessed to return fire against a sustained attack. This isn’t a “quick draw” scenario being addressed.
These aren’t Beirut gate guards who are guarding a fixed post and will need to immediately fire. These are people with guns who can load and run to the sound of the guns.
That said, not letting recruiters and off-site personnel have arms secured on site, or even carry to that degree, destroys the whole point.
August 7th, 2015 at 12:56 pm
It’s always been like this. Even on base, soldiers practically sleep with their rifles but the ammunition is locked up and issued only when necessary for the range or patrol or guard duty, etc. Officers don’t trust soldiers with loaded guns, it’s that simple.
August 7th, 2015 at 1:04 pm
No magazine in weapon. So the bad guy just looks for the people trying to insert a magazine. If you are not going to carry it loaded, leave it at home.
Issue or similar to issue holster required, BUT you can not wear drop leg holsters. The issue holster is a Blackhawk Sherpa drop leg holster. Some JAG units still have the old Berretta holsters. Try to carry these concealed.
Bottom line, this policy was written in order to make it LOOK like the Adjutant General and the Governor were doing something while placing such onerous or vague restrictions on the act of carrying as to make it impossible to comply with the restrictions and still carry.
August 7th, 2015 at 3:30 pm
Same Old Bullshit I had to follow in the Navy in the 70s/80s. 1911A1s in a Flap Holster with two magazines in the double Flap Pouch with only 5 rounds in each Mag.
And that WAS acting as a “Gate Guard”, so to speak, aboard One Ship and Two Different Submarines.
Christ Sakes, just how much Brain Matter do they remove to make a General or an Admiral?
August 7th, 2015 at 5:25 pm
John,
I think the idea is the attacker will be busy shooting at people, everyone will go to cover, and the armed folks will then load and move to the sound of the guns or start shooting back. Defensive response to an attack as opposed to drawing on a robber.
Having the guns on body but unloaded eliminates the “going to get a gun” part of the response.
August 7th, 2015 at 6:48 pm
“Even on base, soldiers practically sleep with their rifles but the ammunition is locked up and issued only when necessary for the range or patrol or guard duty, etc.”
And It’s pretty much a given that when that ammo is needed the officer who has the key(s) to the ammo locker will either be absent, whereabouts unknown, or he wont be able to find the key(s) to the ammo locker.
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“Officers don’t trust soldiers with loaded guns, it’s that simple.”
That’s because they abuse the Enlisted people so much that they fear that the Enlisted folks will frag them.
August 8th, 2015 at 9:37 am
Anyone, especially any of our hirelings up to and including the President, who doesn’t trust others with guns are NOT to be trusted themselves. Disarm them too!
August 8th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
Everyone on firearms blogs hates these kind of rules, because they look at it from a self defense standpoint.
As Matthew noted up top, this is not a self defense posture, this is a threat readiness posture.
As for “lobotomized” officers: again, you are looking at it from a personal perspective. Most troops (in any branch) are not firearm enthusiasts. Many barely qualify with their arm/sidearm. From a commander’s perspective, operational risk management must come into play.
Arming troops poses far greater risk of ND events, while the risk of terrorist attack remains low. I hated the “magazine out” policy when I had to abide by it, but the brigade I was supporting experienced NDs quite frequently even with that policy. These are ND mitigation measures, because they WILL happen.
Imagine the General allowed full concealed carry, and someone gets killed by an ND. You really want those headlines?
August 8th, 2015 at 9:43 pm
Remember that time the NYPD disarmed all of it’s officers because one of them shot his toe off?
Me either.
August 9th, 2015 at 9:24 am
Yeah, ND’s become an issue when people are trained and used to unloaded weapons. Not so much when you know it’s loaded and treat it that way even when it isn’t.
Recruiting station have a back door? POV have a trunk? Also see: wisdom of giving an order you know will be disobeyed.
Holster requirements are too restrictive, but when you are afraid to treat your troops like adults this is how you prevent some dummy from mexican carry.
Now how you are going to carry an M9 in a service holster, concealed, and NOT print is a mystery to me. I suppose it is possible if you are 6″6′ and built like a tank.