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September 29th, 2016 at 10:29 pm
I’ve got an 80% lightning link laying in the back yard. AKA a hunk of sheet metal….
September 30th, 2016 at 8:33 am
Bump Fire or Slide for me, WAAAAAYYY cheaper. And legal.
September 30th, 2016 at 8:46 am
Ok, a lot of us aren’t gunsmiths….these pieces of metal need a 15k tax stamp, and a 3 year waiting period for full auto….or what?
September 30th, 2016 at 9:20 am
So if the DPMS AR15 is the “host”, does that make the Lightning Link the parasite?
September 30th, 2016 at 11:20 am
Roger, the Lightning Link is the ATF Registered Machine Gun. Yeah, stupid, but that’s the way it is. Just like there are a few Drop In Auto Sears (DIAS) still around that are ATF Registered Machine Guns, also cost around the same.
AFAIK, the rifle must be pre-5/19/1986 (Hughes Amendment to FOPA) to legally be converted to full auto. The Tax Stamp is $200, but the Link is $15,000.
It would be illegal to install the Link in a new AR-15.
I would guess the rifle included is the one married to the Link, cannot put it in any other rifle.
September 30th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
DPMS has been around since 1985, so this rifle and Link could have been registered before the Hughes Amendment. And with the rifle S/N 2020, that seems likely.
September 30th, 2016 at 2:07 pm
Geoff- no, a registered LL can be put into any AR with compatible parts (SP1 style carrier, etc), since the LL is the machine gun. It doesn’t convert the AR into a machinegun, it simply is one. That’s the advantage of having a LL
September 30th, 2016 at 2:40 pm
Doc, can you cite the ATF ruling on that?
September 30th, 2016 at 3:09 pm
Well, I did some searching, and from Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
Scroll down to Parts associated with NFA items.
So it would seem that owning anything that can convert a AR-15 to Full Auto would be illegal if you own a AR-15.
So a DIAS and LL are registered, but a FA FCG is not.
So the way I read this, is if you DO NOT own a AR-15, you can own a FA FCG (The parts by themselves are not regulated. I can tell you where to buy them for $85). But if you have a AR-15 it would be illegal to own a FA FCG, as that would be “Constructive Intent”, unless you already own a registered M-16 or AR-15 MG.
http://www.m-16parts.com/contents/en-us/p137.html
Note the Auto Sear on the right.
As to installing a registered DIAS or LL transferred on a Form 4 into a modern AR-15, I can’t find anything on that, yet.
BTW, it isn’t that difficult to convert a AR-15 Lower to accept the Full Auto Lower Parts Kit, it’s just illegal to do so. (Some Bad Guys in strict gun control California go caught doing so).
October 1st, 2016 at 11:57 am
So a modern AR lower will not physically accept the lower parts kit you linked? That might be the fly in the Constructive Intent ointment.