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The Pentagon recently released detailed guidance that allows U.S. military personnel to carry privately owned, concealed firearms on base, a move that the Army’s service chief argued against publicly.
“Arming and the Use of Force,” a Nov. 18 Defense Department directive approved by Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert Work, lays out the policy and standards that allow DoD personnel to carry firearms and employ deadly force while performing official duties.
If they can be trusted with guns on a battlefield, they can be trusted with them at work.
November 22nd, 2016 at 6:59 pm
Don’t get your hopes up. The individual has to ask permission to carry on DoD installations; the approving authority “may” grant that permission based on a specific threat or heightened state of alert for that installation; carry inside federal buildings on DoD installations requires an additional level of review; permission must be renewed every 90 days. Based on my reading of the regulation, this puts DoD approval of concealed carry roughly on the same level as that associated with Maryland carry. So, let’s not fool ourselves into thinking this is anything but kabuki for the uninitiated. There is no f***ing way in hell that any such request will be approved, assuming any servicemember is fool enough to risk his/her career to file such a request (the requestor himself may end up flagged as a potential violence risk).
November 22nd, 2016 at 7:31 pm
Hell, even with issued arms in a war zone Enlisted Personnel are not trusted by the Officers. About 12-13 years ago some Airmen I worked with at Vandenberg AFB were sent to Afganistan. They were issued M-16s but while at the installation they were at in ‘Stan, the rifles were kept locked up in one building and the ammo locked up in another building with 2 different Officers holding the keys. It’s a safe bet that had those rifles and ammo been needed one or both of the officers either would not have been anywhere around or they wouldn’t have known where the keys were.
That totally defeated the whole reason for being issued the weaps in the first place because if they were needed and both Officers were available and both had the keys, by the time weaps and ammo could be issued it most likely would’ve been too late to matter.
No, Military Officers shit on the Enlisted personnel too much for them to want Enlisted Personnel to be armed 24/7.
November 22nd, 2016 at 8:39 pm
“If they can be trusted with guns on a battlefield, they can be trusted with them at work.
Likewise, if they can’t be trusted with firearms at work, they can’t be trusted with them on the battlefield.
This whole thing is insane. Anyone working in any military job, I don’t care if it’s a cook, a freight pilot or office building janitor, should be armed at all times. You’re a rifleman (and pistolero) first, and a whateverthefuck second. Get used to it or don’t join in the first place.
Get the lefty pussies out and get some real people in. Get the lefty pussies out, and you’ll have an easier time getting real people to join.
My son is capable with both rifle and pistol, and has shot for blood plenty. He wouldn’t have a goddamned thing to do with the military, and I don’t blame him. PC Kindergarten marms appear to be running the whole thing.
November 22nd, 2016 at 8:41 pm
Please keep in mind, there is absolutely no possible ‘upside’ for a CO approving individual concealed carry, no matter how supportive they may be of the idea. From their perspective, nothing good can come from it. And if anything (ANYTHING!) goes wrong, they’ll be relieved of command 5 minutes after an incident, circumstances be damned. I retired this year, precisely because I refuse to continue serving in their zero-defect universe.
November 22nd, 2016 at 10:06 pm
lmao.
They don’t even give us fucking ammo inside the wire.
November 23rd, 2016 at 2:30 am
It’s ‘may issue’ and ‘for cause’ and it’s specific to the installation, will not be honored on other installations.
And it’s only for 90 days, for as long as the good cause continues.
It’s nothingburger.
November 23rd, 2016 at 10:23 am
I had a night job in a hotel once, where I was the only employee there after 11:00pm. The company handbook expressly forbade firearms. I carried, and kept quiet.
I suspect there are more than a few in the military who have a Glock 43 or KelTec holstered in a pocket who are also keeping quiet. “That little thing? I completely forgot it was in this pair of pants!”
November 23rd, 2016 at 11:19 am
mikeee, I agree that you can get a new job easier than a new life, but in the .mil that statement would carry you exactly zip point shit in the way of mitigation.
November 23rd, 2016 at 2:07 pm
Just changes bases from “gun free” zones into highly restricted “may issue” zones.
November 24th, 2016 at 12:04 pm
DoD will add a zillion restrictions. Chamber empty, magazine in pouch not in gun, snatch proof holster, FMJ ammo, has to be 9mm, drop safe, safety on, etc..
Just watch them.
November 25th, 2016 at 4:07 pm
I used to be in the Navy, and have worked for the Navy since I got out. Most sailors shouldn’t be anywhere near a firearm. The training they receive is just that bad.