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A Florida sheriff: If You Need to Shoot Somebody, Shoot Them a Lot
This is good advice. Knockdown power is a myth. And the best way to double the effectiveness of any gun is a follow up shot.
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June 27th, 2017 at 5:07 pm
A friend of a friend was (is?) a former spec ops fella who moonlights now as a drone pilot. I naively asked him about stopping power and he replied “Stopping power is when God says ‘stop’. I shot a guy at 400 yards with a .308 through a lung in Afghanistan, and instead of lying down and dying like he was supposed to, kept running for another 200 yards before he finally bled out. No such thing as stopping power.”
June 27th, 2017 at 6:00 pm
The only thing wose than shooting someone who needs to be shot is not shooting them enough.
June 27th, 2017 at 7:02 pm
Rule#2: “Double Tap”
http://www.zombielandrules.com/
June 27th, 2017 at 8:01 pm
Or as the Texas Ranger was asked by a lawyer “why did you shoot my client 7 times?” Reply “6 wasn’t enough and 8 would have been too many.” IOW, shoot enough to get the job done. Period.
June 27th, 2017 at 9:51 pm
A guy did a study of shootings in the US – I forget his name but I heard him interviewed on GunTalk. His conclusion? EVERY pistol round, all the way down to 22LR took between 3 and 4 EFFECTIVE hits to stop an attack. Now this is an average – some were psychological stops at the first shot (sometimes not even a hit, let alone a center mass) but the average also includes the guys high on PCP that absorb 10 or 15 9mm are are still coming. Rifles and shotguns were both less than 3, with “deer rifle” (not 223 or varmint rounds) closer to 1.5 in most cases.
So I’d say plan on shooting 3 times, be prepared for that not to be enough, and be happy when 1 is enough.
June 28th, 2017 at 9:11 am
30×173 has good stopping power against people…mostly because they tend to disappear in a red mist. Beyond that though….
June 28th, 2017 at 9:25 am
If knock down power is a myth then why would shooting them ‘a lot’ help? If it helps stop them by damaging to many organs or causing massive shock then surely a more powerful gun would do the same.
And surely if knock down power is a myth the hollow points are useless!
Does not a 12 gauge have more ‘mythical’ knock down power than a .25 ACP? Yes? No? Will a .45 ACP +P have more ‘mythical’ knock down power than .25 ACP FMJ? Yes? No?
Long time ago ‘morgue’ monsters would tally the people who died in shootouts and compare their police accounts of the shooting and the autopsies and give a guesstimate as to of what worked and what did not.
We need that done to day instead of jello, formulas, and pronouncements of myths.
Reality always trumps myths.
June 28th, 2017 at 9:52 am
Shoot until the threat stops…not something you pre-plan but in-the-moment facing the elephant. Especially since that elephant tends to come out of nowhere, you don’t hear or see him coming until there he is…and the shock to your psyche at that point does not allow too much thought or aiming at something “vital”. Which is why center mass is your target and why multiple rounds are usually required…shoot until the threat stops!
BTW, old Grady is sheriff of the county next to mine in FL (Polk). Biggest teevee hog and attention whore among all the sheriffs here, to the degree he’s kind of a joke. Real fake folksy, doesn’t matter the topic, he’s on it. Surprised he didn’t say “Shoot ’em graveyard dead!”, that’s a favorite of his. And this bit about self-defense is a jealousy thing where two nearby sheriffs made statements about the need for personal armed defense, one of which you linked here a few weeks ago on the anniversary of the Orlando club shooting I think. Ol’ Sheriff Judd just can’t have any other LEO’s horning in on his camera time!
June 28th, 2017 at 4:44 pm
1 — Aim center-of-mass, only Roy Rogers and Hoppalong Cassidy can shot the bad guys in the hand;
2 — Keep shooting until the threat is neutralized;
3 — Say nothing to the LRO’s until you’ve spoken with your lawyer.
June 29th, 2017 at 1:25 am
Gunshot wounds like real estate is all about location, location, location.
And since few are experts in 3 dimensional, random positional, anatomy and the best locations are very small, you accept your limitations in anatomy and stress shooting, and increase you chances by placing more bullets into more locations in the target.
June 29th, 2017 at 11:28 am
I’ve read a lot of gun bloggers, and there are several good shooters among them who apparently hate the noses on human-figure targets, along with the more obvious cardiac region of the pictured felons on the target paper.
At least that is the impression I get from reading the gun tests that include 50 to 2000 rounds shot at paper targets. Very rarely do good bloggers shoot the target bad guys in their right earlobe, or part their hair, or clip their chins, like I do at the range. And essentially never do I see “warning shots” on the white paper, completely off the target image, posted on gun tests. I still get those sometimes, even at short distances, when I go faster than I should.
So I’m going with the practice of my betters in the use of guns, and treating the shooting of any target like a real estate investment – location, location, location.
June 29th, 2017 at 11:00 pm
mikee; practice is good, but ranges are not the wild and targets are not elephants.