The only times I ever had a need to use forward assist on the M-16A1 when I was in the National Guard was to seat the first round when had 30 rounds packed into a magazine. I found out that loading only 28 rounds into the 30 round mag ended that problem. Also, when using the older 20 round magazines I didn’t have to use forward assist.
Better to have that feature and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
AFAIK, Forward Assist was added in late 60s due to substandard ammo reaching the war zone. Smart troopers acquired a micrometer from Supply and miked their issued ammo when they had time. I’ve heard that in some lots, 1/3rd of it was overlength.
I’ve used mine (successfully by the way, not to “jam it worse”) several times. Granted, that’s several times in 20 years. So; better have it and not need it, I figure. It doesn’t hurt anything just sitting there. If you want to shave that particular ounce or two of weight off, then OK, but maybe there are better places to save weight, at least until you’re down to that one thing that remains.
Actually the thumb relief on the bolt carrier was always there, and served as a forward assist in the original design. If you can’t push the bolt into battery with your thumb on the bolt, your gun needs a more thoughtful un-fucking than push/pull/roll/rack.
IIRC Army Ordinance forget the gun tooth and nail. When forced to adopt it, they specified a different, dirtier, powder than the rifle was designed for and the rifle was shipped without individual cleaning kits and soldiers were told it didn’t need to be lubed.. This led to fouling and malfunctions. The forward assist was the “cure.” I’m not sure original bolts had the thumb relief.
March 6th, 2018 at 5:07 pm
I have actually used the forward assist, on both the M16 and M4.
But that, obviously, was when I was in the Army
March 6th, 2018 at 6:26 pm
The only times I ever had a need to use forward assist on the M-16A1 when I was in the National Guard was to seat the first round when had 30 rounds packed into a magazine. I found out that loading only 28 rounds into the 30 round mag ended that problem. Also, when using the older 20 round magazines I didn’t have to use forward assist.
Better to have that feature and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
March 6th, 2018 at 7:04 pm
AFAIK, Forward Assist was added in late 60s due to substandard ammo reaching the war zone. Smart troopers acquired a micrometer from Supply and miked their issued ammo when they had time. I’ve heard that in some lots, 1/3rd of it was overlength.
March 6th, 2018 at 7:58 pm
Wait, are you talking about the “make the jam worse button”?
March 6th, 2018 at 8:26 pm
I’ve used mine (successfully by the way, not to “jam it worse”) several times. Granted, that’s several times in 20 years. So; better have it and not need it, I figure. It doesn’t hurt anything just sitting there. If you want to shave that particular ounce or two of weight off, then OK, but maybe there are better places to save weight, at least until you’re down to that one thing that remains.
March 6th, 2018 at 8:27 pm
This reminds me of the finger grooves on the Glock; it became socially “cool” to say that you hated them. Meh.
March 7th, 2018 at 1:19 pm
Actually the thumb relief on the bolt carrier was always there, and served as a forward assist in the original design. If you can’t push the bolt into battery with your thumb on the bolt, your gun needs a more thoughtful un-fucking than push/pull/roll/rack.
March 7th, 2018 at 1:53 pm
IIRC Army Ordinance forget the gun tooth and nail. When forced to adopt it, they specified a different, dirtier, powder than the rifle was designed for and the rifle was shipped without individual cleaning kits and soldiers were told it didn’t need to be lubed.. This led to fouling and malfunctions. The forward assist was the “cure.” I’m not sure original bolts had the thumb relief.
March 7th, 2018 at 7:31 pm
I’ve mashed the thing a few times on my issue M4s/M16s, but hardly ever use it on my civilian AR.
YMMV