The recommended load of 1/2 oz shot (219 grains) and 40 grains black powder isn’t much of a 12 gauge load. That’s about 1.5 drams of powder (compare to the “dram eq.” on your shotgun ammo boxes) with a much lighter than usual shot load. Wouldn’t be painful at all to fire it.
Going by the charge and the payload, it’s not even up to original black powder 45 Colt energies. I regularly shoot a 225 grain bullet with 45 gains of energetic black powder from a revolver, and it’s not anything for anyone to get shy over.
5 bills for a toy is one thing, different strokes.
But anybody who takes that promo at face value for a legitimate tool of self-defense is likely to get his stupid self killed when/if accosted by a BG with an actual, you know, gun.
And anybody who attaches said toy with the stupid magnet shown, is even more likely to end up committing
inadvertent but arguably well-deserved suicide-by-cop.
Looks like others have said it better, but: Yep, just black powder. It doesn’t really recoil, more of a push, because the powder just burns fast rather than exploding. So recoil wouldn’t be bad.
But this makes the product useless. The short large-bore barrel won’t generate sufficient pressure or velocity. And the photo, at the linked page, of this weapons system mounted down low on someone’s steering column — yikes. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen. You really don’t want the ball, slug, or shot to move down that barrel a few inches with the vibration of the car over time, then pull the trigger with that thing in your right hand, pointed out your driver side window. You’ll be detonating a pipe bomb right in front of your own face, if the payload isn’t seated properly against the powder and a gap develops.
Why do I think the Taurus Judge will be offered in 12 gauge pretty soon? Maybe call it the Taurus “Supreme Court Justice” able to fire both 12 gauge 3 1/2″ shells and 50 BMG rounds?
“The short large-bore barrel won’t generate sufficient pressure or velocity.”
Oh, That can kills ya, for sure and for certain, no problem.
I get 40 S&W to standard 45 Colt energies out of my black powder pistols (recorded up to 600 ft lbs from an 8″ barrel and a 240 grain lead slug). I’ve chronographed many loads from many black powder pistols on many occasions and I have the data to back it up. Done kilt a whitetail buck a couple seasons ago, right dead too, with a Colt’s percussion revolver; nine inch barrel, 45 grains of real black powder (1847 Walker repro). The 200 grain slug penetrated the chest cavity, destroying the heart, then snapped the front leg humerus on the far side clean in two.
Just ’cause it’s old tech doesn’t mean it ain’t deadly (practical self defense being an entirely different subject – an axe is deadly too, but I don’t carry one for self defense). I like the old guns, but I carry a Glock with a light and a laser on it.
March 7th, 2019 at 5:40 pm
Probably similar to when I put some “high velocity” rounds in my Mini-22. Oops.
March 7th, 2019 at 7:06 pm
The recommended load of 1/2 oz shot (219 grains) and 40 grains black powder isn’t much of a 12 gauge load. That’s about 1.5 drams of powder (compare to the “dram eq.” on your shotgun ammo boxes) with a much lighter than usual shot load. Wouldn’t be painful at all to fire it.
Going by the charge and the payload, it’s not even up to original black powder 45 Colt energies. I regularly shoot a 225 grain bullet with 45 gains of energetic black powder from a revolver, and it’s not anything for anyone to get shy over.
March 7th, 2019 at 8:45 pm
5 bills for a toy is one thing, different strokes.
But anybody who takes that promo at face value for a legitimate tool of self-defense is likely to get his stupid self killed when/if accosted by a BG with an actual, you know, gun.
And anybody who attaches said toy with the stupid magnet shown, is even more likely to end up committing
inadvertent but arguably well-deserved suicide-by-cop.
March 8th, 2019 at 1:02 am
Fuck that.
March 8th, 2019 at 7:42 am
Looks like others have said it better, but: Yep, just black powder. It doesn’t really recoil, more of a push, because the powder just burns fast rather than exploding. So recoil wouldn’t be bad.
But this makes the product useless. The short large-bore barrel won’t generate sufficient pressure or velocity. And the photo, at the linked page, of this weapons system mounted down low on someone’s steering column — yikes. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen. You really don’t want the ball, slug, or shot to move down that barrel a few inches with the vibration of the car over time, then pull the trigger with that thing in your right hand, pointed out your driver side window. You’ll be detonating a pipe bomb right in front of your own face, if the payload isn’t seated properly against the powder and a gap develops.
March 8th, 2019 at 1:56 pm
Why do I think the Taurus Judge will be offered in 12 gauge pretty soon? Maybe call it the Taurus “Supreme Court Justice” able to fire both 12 gauge 3 1/2″ shells and 50 BMG rounds?
March 10th, 2019 at 6:54 pm
“The short large-bore barrel won’t generate sufficient pressure or velocity.”
Oh, That can kills ya, for sure and for certain, no problem.
I get 40 S&W to standard 45 Colt energies out of my black powder pistols (recorded up to 600 ft lbs from an 8″ barrel and a 240 grain lead slug). I’ve chronographed many loads from many black powder pistols on many occasions and I have the data to back it up. Done kilt a whitetail buck a couple seasons ago, right dead too, with a Colt’s percussion revolver; nine inch barrel, 45 grains of real black powder (1847 Walker repro). The 200 grain slug penetrated the chest cavity, destroying the heart, then snapped the front leg humerus on the far side clean in two.
Just ’cause it’s old tech doesn’t mean it ain’t deadly (practical self defense being an entirely different subject – an axe is deadly too, but I don’t carry one for self defense). I like the old guns, but I carry a Glock with a light and a laser on it.