NZ shooter promoting gun control
From the New Zealand lunatic’s manifesto:
I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty.
This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines.
Why are anti-gun activists so violent?
March 15th, 2019 at 11:02 am
Because it gives them a reactionary pretext to achieve a “monopoly on violence” just like their political predecessors, the National SOCIALISTS in Germany, the Soviet SOCIALISTS in Russia and the “cultural revolution” in China where government guns mass-murdered disarmed victimsin the tens of millions.
March 15th, 2019 at 11:54 am
Same “I will start the race war” ideal that Roof was hoping for. Socialists always hoping for a revolution.
March 15th, 2019 at 12:44 pm
Wow, even by communist terrorist standards this is amazing. Commit a terrorist attack in New Zealand for the purpose of triggering a civil war in the USA?
March 15th, 2019 at 1:03 pm
He did mention that he could have picked many methods, but he picked guns specifically to make the post-Constitutional politicians in the US do their usual knee-jerk move towards gun confiscation, and he hoped it would be the big move that would cause the pro-Constitution side to start shooting back and things spiral into Balkan-style civil war.
March 15th, 2019 at 3:10 pm
I don’t read that as “supports gun control” as much as, as Tirno says, an effective way to increase US polarization and chaos.
(Combine with his alleged self-description as “an eco-fascist”, it’s hilarious-and-sad to see people on Facebook simply call him “a right-wing white-supremacist” and blame the President because reasons.
That’s much more convenient for partisan purposes.
That he might be some sort of weird Capitalism-hating “white supremacist” is certainly possible … but he sure isn’t “the Alt-Right, but in NZ”.)
March 15th, 2019 at 4:21 pm
@ Sigivald, well-said.
He sounds much more like a National Socialist from 1930’s and 40’s Germany.
March 15th, 2019 at 6:17 pm
The NZ PM has already announced new gun control measures, so there’s that.
March 15th, 2019 at 7:13 pm
Charles Manson was trying to start a race war too, making that motive very plain, and he was anything but “right wing” in the American parlance. Don’t forget that the Confederates were the Democrats in the 1860s same as they are today. “Conservatives”, in the U.S. at least, are not racist, for they hold to the notion that all Men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.
But this is the first I can remember a mass killer coming out and saying he wanted specifically to push gun restrictions in America.
It’s simple; the left, worldwide, has been shouting from rooftops, saying that guns are only for murder, so as to eventually achieve a monopoly on small arms, so as to further their authoritarian agenda. It is often frustrating for them that it isn’t true. So naturally, there will be the occasional stray who sets out to help with the narrative, because he supports the authoritarian cause.
No doubt others have thought similarly. They just didn’t put it in writing is all. Evil has its particular wants, and those who serve evil are well aware of those wants. They don’t need marching orders, signed and hand delivered in a black helicopter by the CIA. They know what needs to be done to create havoc, for a purpose, and they do it. When I’ve said in the past that this or that mass shooting has a “made to order” flavor to it, I meant it and I stick to it, no matter how much sarcasm I get in return.
As for a Muslim invasion and the mass “migrations” in general; well, duh. But no freelance murderer is going to stop it, especially when practically all of the Western governments, and the pope, are encouraging and facilitating it. Sharia, or something like it (it doesn’t really matter which) is coming to a town near you.
March 15th, 2019 at 8:11 pm
Just another National Socialist thinking that he can trigger a revolution through violence..
Not very different from International Socialists thinking they can trigger a revolution through violence.
They just blame different ethnic groups for the ills they imagine.
March 15th, 2019 at 11:19 pm
Lyle wrote, “It’s simple; the left, worldwide, has been shouting from rooftops, saying that guns are only for murder,…”
Well yes, they’re right in that murderers always want their victims disarmed. And leftists want us disarmed–while they stay armed. And the history bears out their reason. Socialist regimes have mass murdered their own people who wouldn’t submit to their control. It’s a self-evident truth: ONLY YOUR ENEMY WANTS YOU DISARMED!
March 16th, 2019 at 12:46 am
“Don’t forget that the Confederates were the Democrats in the 1860s same as they are today.”
Don’t know how the hell that stray piece of mindless and wrong irrelevance made it into a generally very cogent and correct comment.
March 16th, 2019 at 6:54 am
Correct me, please:
Was this shooter not stopped at the 2nd mosque by an armed parishioner? Someone with ready-access to a shotgun, stopped the guy with the “semi-automatic assault rifle” and the “high-capacity magazines”. Is that untrue?
The police didn’t protect them. An armed civilian did.
March 16th, 2019 at 12:21 pm
I grew up with news reports about Viet Cong, IRA, Red Brigade, Shining Path, the Chinese Cultural Revolution, SDS, Biafra, Tibet, Weathermen, Black Panthers, KKK, Khmer Rouge, and other significantly more organized pro-violence groups operating worldwide. The Manson Family’s Helter Skelter was mere icing on the cake for death and destruction.
Today’s yahoos are so immersed in their echo chambers of social media they don’t realize how unimportant they are, and how insignificant are the results of their self immolations, no matter how many innocents they take with them.
This will have the impact of the Jonestown Flavor Aid picnic on the world, and the idiots who did this have all the impact of the Unabomber but without the technical skills. To hell with them and their failed attempt at importance.
March 16th, 2019 at 12:45 pm
Tim,
I’m not going to watch that video. But if you did, it would be easy to verify what stopped the shooter.
March 16th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
This is the “Pulse nightclub shooter is a frustrated closet homosexual” media distortion times 100.
Normally I’d agree with not giving the attention whore what he craves most, but the media is definitely going with the “Racist Right Wing izaN Nut kill Muslims” and then doing their very best to censure the truth.
Guy was trolling the shit out of the left, with memes and copypasta in his videos and manafesto. Media is suppressing the truth.
March 16th, 2019 at 5:30 pm
@Tim, I had heard the same as you, but wondered about how he had concealed either a “shotgun or rifle” during a Muslim service (lots or kneeling, forehead to the floor and such).
Now, according to AP News, it seems he was armed more with balls than brains.
https://apnews.com/ccf69233a36446c2b6c9e92f3e6cf417
Either way – he saved lives, PLUS it showed what a cowered the attacker was.
-Jay
March 16th, 2019 at 9:03 pm
And it turns out that five months ago the shooter was in Pakistan, praising the culture there. Data point. Other mass shooters also visited Muslim countries before doing the deed. Is it relevant? Don’t know. But it is interesting.
Also, yet again, there was ample telegraphing of the deed on line, prior to the deed. Yet we are supposed to believe that Big Tech has really been vigilant for this sort of thing, clamping down at the drop of a hat to squelch hate rhetoric. What more will be done to chill free speech after this, and how much of it will have been demanded by the public?
JTC; Democrats are America’s racists, accusing others of being racists. They were the anti abolitionists of the 1860s. They set up the KKK as their paramilitary enforcement arm afterward. Today they’re saying the shooter is a “White Nationalist” and then blaming Trump. The shooter said he wanted to foment a civil war in America by causing the Democrats to initiate more gun control. Democrats pushed gun control after the Civil War to keep down the black man.
Just bringing in some some data points I find relevant or potentially relevant. Don’t take it personal. I find overlapping data on the Venn Diagram, then I say so. Maybe it’s nothing but a big tangle of interlocking, oft repeating, yet irrelevant coincidences. I can’t help noticing it either way. Maybe I see patterns where none exist. Hopefully it’ll all flesh out in the long run.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:32 pm
@Lyle, the 1857 SCOTUS Dred Scott decision kept black people as non-persons and slaves lest they be able to have “the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, … the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went.” As all fiend through history, slaves are always disarmed and kept that way.
Furthermore, Lincoln’s 1863 Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to black people who were slaves in Union states like Kentucky, Missouri, Delaware and Maryland, but was an admitted war tactic as admitted by Lincoln’s Sec of State Seward. Also, Union Gen, U.S. Grant was a slave owner until after the War Between the States when the 13th and 14th Amendments overturned the Dred Scott decision.
All supporters of gun control whether Democrats or Republicans are pro slavery. It is of a truth: ONLY YOUR ENEMY WANTS YOU DISARMED
March 17th, 2019 at 8:03 am
Ron W : A little clarification
U.S.Grant did not own slaves during the period of the Civil War, specifically after March 1859.
He personally owned a slave, named William Jones, who Grant bought from his father-in-law Frederick Dent.
Shortly after that 1859 purchase, in March, Grant manumitted the man apparently without recourse to compensation.
His wife’s family were slave owners, and Julia Dent, in the middle 1850s, became the owner of 4 negro slaves from her father.
Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation issue is a bit more complicated than you apparently understand.
In the North, Lincoln had to maintain something of a coalition that was made up, in part, of Copperhead Democrats and of other people who wanted the Union preserved but who didn’t give a tinker’s damn about negro slaves. The Proclamation was aimed at slavery in the states in rebellion, with the hope that the slaves would, at the least, abandon their places of bondage and remove a most significant part of the Southern manpower pool that supported their war effort.
March 17th, 2019 at 12:10 pm
Lyle, yes to the Democrats cum Socialists of today very effectively implementing the strategies of Alinsky to claim and blame the opposition for the issues and problems they themselves create as a ruse and means to their ends.
Alinsky credited Lucifer as the inspiration for their playbook and that is true enough, but he and his modern adherents fail to mention the more contemporary master of the rules of the manipulation of people and politics, the First Rino himself…the most racist of all racists for his use of slavery and blacks to incite war and genocide against a sovereign nation -and his own people- as a means to conceal his true ends.
You are fond of correctly stating and illustrating that placing a D or an R after a name is irrelevant to the true agenda of most politician, a fact as true 150-odd years ago as now. But most of your “data points” are lifted directly from the very political misinformation, misdirection, and effective innoculation of Americans as to the agenda of the Civil War, which B Dubya has helpfully if inadvertently helped to explain above.
Suffice here to say that as immoral and wrong as slavery was and is, the facts and contexts are left out so as not to confuse the narrative. It does not surprise me that the wackjob in NZ was taken in by it all but does surprise me that you embrace his parroting of it as well.
March 17th, 2019 at 4:36 pm
“The Proclamation was aimed at slavery in the states in rebellion, with the hope that the slaves would, at the least, abandon their places of bondage and remove a most significant part of the Southern manpower pool that supported their war effort.” –B. Dubya
Yes, the Emancipation Proclamation was as Lincoln’s Sec of State Seward admitted, a war tactic which did nothing in the “states in rebellion” (actually secession) and left Union State slaves in slavery. A presidential proclamation does nothing legally. But the 1857 SCOTUS majority opinion excerpt demonstrates that citizen disarmament is an aspect of imposing slavery. Ironically, leftists and supposed black “civil rights” leaders hearken back to slavery and “Jim Crow”, but support the very gun control policies by which slavery is imposed and basic human rights are denied.
March 17th, 2019 at 4:46 pm
” It does not surprise me that the wackjob in NZ was taken in by it all but does surprise me that you embrace his parroting of it as well.”
–JTC
Yes, he’s a self-professed socialist and eco-fascist like most all climate change fear-mongering Democrats and leftist media. In that he adds in some racism, he’s like the National Socialists in Germany and also supports the Chicom government. It seems, as usual, the “lies of omission” media is not reporting that. He also impled perping his attack to support gun control which fits with the leftist agenda of the National Socialists and Soviet Socialists and those Democratic Socialists now.
March 17th, 2019 at 5:30 pm
Not that left-wing politicians need to be pressured to violate the Constitution.
John Brown did manage to be a major contributor to igniting Civil War One by his armed strikes but he was operating somewhat closer to home.
March 17th, 2019 at 9:40 pm
It’s all fun and games with random suicide bombings and peace trucks crashing through Christmas markets, but when something equally evil is visited on them the howling starts.
Reap the whirlwind. Evil begets evil. That asshole wasn’t on my team, I’ll not apologize for him.
That said, I’m curious how the NZ population will respond to the new and stupid ban. I expect compliance, but hope for the best.
March 18th, 2019 at 8:19 am
@ Heath J, you’re right! Yet a series of ongoing incidents of Muslims killing Christians in Nigeria is largely ignored by the media:
http://dailypost.ng/2019/03/18/new-zealand-fani-kayode-queries-international-community-silence-kaduna-killings/
They only care if somehow they can work it into their narrative here.
March 20th, 2019 at 10:28 am
I call BS on that “manifesto”.
The shooter was apparently an Australian, yet even that short extract uses word forms that are American instead of Australian – I don’t believe the shooter wrote it.
Most blatant:
the use of “abolishment” instead of “abolition” – that construction to turn a verb into a noun is most definitely not usual in English speakers in Australia.
Next indicator:
the use of the American spelling “polarization” instead of the normal Australian form “polarisation”
March 21st, 2019 at 12:49 am
We’re basically a week in. Four were arrested, but only one name/face/bio realeased, and the coverage is dropping off. Makes you wonder what about the other three doesn’t fit the narrative…
March 21st, 2019 at 7:58 pm
@Anon, As usual, it’s the “lies of omission”.