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September 3rd, 2019 at 7:29 pm
Apparently, flipping off the police is free speech but finger gun at your neighbor is disorderly conduct. Stupid.
September 3rd, 2019 at 8:56 pm
I read the decision. It was a good decision. Dude got convicted of the summary offense of “Disorderly Conduct.” He’s lucky that’s all they charged him with.
The stupid ass should have just paid his fine and moved on with his life, but he decided to spend a bunch of money and appeal his decision. He probably paid more in legal fees to walk into the lawyer’s office than his $100 fine plus court costs for what amounts to a traffic ticket level offense.
Here’s a link to the decision. Note that the decision is non-precedential, so it can’t be used as a precedent in future cases.
http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Superior/out/J-S28020-19m%20-%2010411912776155120.pdf
September 4th, 2019 at 3:33 am
Sorry Sean but the decision was bullshit. A finger gun? Really?
Both parties acted like 3rd grade children.
From the ruling: Kirchner, while accompanying Natore, approached Klingseisen in his own backyard, created a gun-like hand gesture, pointed it at Klingseisen, and made a recoil motion as if to suggest he had shot him. This act served no legitimate purpose, and recklessly risked provoking a dangerous altercation.
The exact same thing could be said for flipping off someone with both hands. “no legitimate purpose, and recklessly risked provoking a dangerous altercation.”
According to the ruling Kirchner didn’t approach him in his yard, he was in the alley. That’s public ground. I have not seen the video to know if it shows anything other than what was written in the ruling.
Either *both* should have been cited or *neither* should have been cited.
I would much rather have had the court rule that both numbskulls would be forced to do a project together…just like you would do with 3rd graders.
September 4th, 2019 at 8:05 am
But if you’re a politician and threaten that unless you sell your gun to them at their price or else–jail or death, that’s not a crime? I mean, in the real world, that’s extortion and a criminal threat! And from a political perspective, it’s sedition.
September 4th, 2019 at 10:30 am
I agree with Sean. As they say, “a picture is worth a thousand words.” In this case, a gesture.
Look at the totally of the circumstances. He meant it as a threat…
September 4th, 2019 at 3:22 pm
Man, don’t know if there’s an age limit on that, but me and my brothers would have been locked up for life as many times as we finger fired at each other…sound effects too, probably an enhanced charge for that.