Chicks and guns
Egalia is shocked that North Carolina State legislators have apparently concluded that the best way to deal with domestic violence is to give women guns. The only problem, of course, is that statement is made up. What the proposed law actually does is require that women who seek orders of protection be given information on how to apply for a concealed weapon carry permit. It doesn’t give women guns.
Given that:
The Supreme Court recently ruled that domestic restraining orders do not trigger a constitutional right to government protection against harm from private individuals; and
A 2002 Washington state study found that 80 percent of women who requested a restraining order in domestic violence cases reported no repeated partner violence to law officers in the year after the order was issued. (Update: i.e., what happens to the 20%?); and
It sounds reasonable to me. No one is forcing guns upon the women. She continues:
Does this mean that women will also get a get-out-of-jail-free card just in case there are suddenly a lot of dead and wounded boyfriends and husbands?
If someone is killed as a result of valid use of self-defense, the shooter won’t need a get out of jail free card. She also writes:
So women are to take the law into their own hands because law enforcement agencies are failures, or because this society just can’t figure out how to stop reproducing violent and misogynist men.
Who else should do it since the cops aren’t required to? Also, seems like shooting violent misogynist men engaged in acts of violence is a pretty effective way of dealing with them. And defending yourself is not taking the law into your own hands. It’s what you should do. My protection is my responsibility.
I’ll end with this quote from Women Against Gun Control:
Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
Apparently for egalia, that’s the case.
August 19th, 2005 at 6:51 pm
“…[B]ecause this society just can’t figure out how to stop reproducing violent and misogynist men.”
It’s your crew that’s created the conditions for them. What we want is the tools to thin out the herd when needed.
Idiot.
August 19th, 2005 at 7:20 pm
“The only problem, of course, is that statement is made up.”
It’s called a ‘deduction”. Duh.
Said deduction is based on the following from my post:
“North Carolina lawmakers have approved a measure that would require courts to give battered spouses something extra when they seek a restraining order–information on how to apply for a concealed weapon.”
So, did you think the legislators want to give women info on how to get guns so the women can go purchase sling shots?
August 19th, 2005 at 7:40 pm
It’s not deduction, it’s made up. A carry permit doesn’t come with a gun. Info is only helpful if they already have one or are interested in getting one. Gun ownership among women is, thankfully, on the rise. And what about your other ridiculous comments?
August 20th, 2005 at 3:14 am
‘It’s not deduction, it’s made up. A carry permit doesn’t come with a gun. Info is only helpful if they already have one or are interested in getting one.’
It is more than info, obviously it is encouragement to get guns, and encouragement from law enforcement officials and legislators no less.
I don’t see any point in addressing our different viewpoints, when we can’t get past this simple one. I prefer to attempt to find common ground with people and then attempt to understand (and respect) differences, but when my views are labeled “ridiculous’, I can take a hint.
August 20th, 2005 at 8:35 am
It is encouragement. You should amend your original assertion since you said they were giving out guns.
‘we can’t get past this simple one.’
Because you made something up.
I didn’t label your ‘views’ ridiculous, merely your wild assertions (like they’re giving out guns).
August 20th, 2005 at 11:06 am
Get You a Gatt to Take Care of That
SaysUncle, as well as the illustrious Egalia, report on North Carolina’s plan to provide information on how to apply for a concealed weapon when a woman files a restraining order. Since, as Uncle notes, The Supreme Court recently ruled that…
August 20th, 2005 at 1:39 pm
I’m actually one of the GRNC Legislative Team members that helped write this bill. It is obvious Egalia has neither read this bill, or researched it. HB 1311 does not:
1. GIVE a woman a gun
2. Lets her bypass the normal background checks or training
The notion that “the guns will be used against them” is ignorant. I believe this notion of the “weak, scared, and unable to respond to life’s events” stereotype is dangerous for women and perpetuates the abuse because women learn to be like this from people like Egalia. Women are strong, esteemed, have powerful minds, and can learn how to use a gun for lawful purposes.
If you want to end the control, stop teaching women to be victims which is how one is controlled in the first place
Michael Sharp
NCGUN Admin and GRNC Legislative team member
http://www.ncgun.com & http://www.grnc.org
August 21st, 2005 at 12:34 pm
i have observed that many elites are not only opposed to women assuming responsibility for their own defense, but also to providing any information to women on a variety of subjects. Knowledge is power. Control the dissemination of knowledge and you can best conserve power in the hands of the elites. Thus, what looks like sloppy grammar might be interpreted, if one were cynical like me, as just another way to pull the wool over people’s eyes.
“Legislature wants to hand out guns” sounds much more dangerous than, “Legislature wants to give potential victims of domestic violence information on how to defend themselves.” The CHOICE is up to them.
On the other hand, calling it “deduction”, when egalia’s argument would more properly be called “inductive” reasoning was probably simply sloppy grammar. (But now i’m just being a bitch.)
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:11 am
nice comments.
I just wanted to relate my thoughts on this qoute.
“Does this mean that women will also get a get-out-of-jail-free card just in case there are suddenly a lot of dead and wounded boyfriends and husbands?”
Yea pretty much.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:36 pm
Michael, I am so glad that you are looking after us strong and esteemed women. Gee, maybe one day we might be strong and esteemed enough to actually share power with wonderful men like you who know so very much about us women.
All this time I thought that violent men were responsible for domestic violence, I am so sorry that I did not understand that it is ‘people like’ me who are perpetuating the abuse.
Stupid me for thinking I knew about us women, next time I’ll check with an expert like you.
Below is what I said (notice the qualifier?), and it is scary as hell to think that someone with your questionable language comprehension skills has anything to do with writing laws for us ‘strong and esteemed women’ who are 15% of the U.S. Congress and probably less than that in your pathetically good-old-boy state. In fact, it appears that the only women you view as strong and esteemed are the women who agree with you. The rest of us ‘perpetuate the abuse.’
“The North Carolina State legislators have apparently concluded that the best way to deal with domestic violence is to give women guns.”
Apparently true.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:42 pm
Still misleading. And speaking of reading comprehension, I fail to see what half that rant has to do with anything Michael said. It’s not merely a woman issue, it’s a defense issue that affects people of all genders.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:58 pm
Nowhere in my comments did I say that Domestic Abusers are not responsible for their actions. What I said is that Domestic Violence Advocates typically tell women to leave ther home, call the police, live in a shelter, get counseling, and let the “system” deal with it. This is placing women in a “victim” role which does perpetuate future abuse.
Your sarcastic comments that a man cannot know anything about a woman is ignorant and I will not even respond. And, where did I say that the only women who are ‘strong and esteemed’ are the ones who agree with me?
“The North Carolina State legislators have apparently concluded that the best way to deal with domestic violence is to give women guns.”
Incorrect. The North Carolina Legislature is adding another onion layer of protection for a woman when the “system” breaks down.
You really need to learn to write without calling names and staying on what was actually said if you ever have any hope of being effective in your communication.
Michael
August 23rd, 2005 at 4:57 am
“Share Power”? What has that to do with self defense? Share ammo, maybe… Nah – my wifes’ ammo doesn’t fit my pistol.
I’m deployed. My wife lives with one lazy dog and two psychotic cats. Does she own and carry? You bet.
The math is pretty simple. What muddies the water is people who refuse to accept the facts. Well, fine – last I heard, the Flat Earth Society was going strong. If YOU want to believe the earth is flat, and firearms are some sort of pschological extension of the male anatomy (and thus something you’d rather die than touch), bully for you. But telling someone else they’d be better off going to a shelter, or buying a can of mace, or one of those dandy little whistles – that is a nearly criminal lie. Preventing, or helping to prevent a woman from acquiring the knowledge, licence, and tool she needs for effective self defence – well, as far as I am concerned that is “accessory before the fact.” I guess you could say that means that I think you are ‘perpetuating the abuse’, because you are, without a doubt, perpetuating the conditions under which committing the abuse is possible.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:10 pm
” probably less than that in your pathetically good-old-boy state.”
This comment just makes me seethe. So a state that wants to empower women to take their defense in their own hands is a “good-old boy state” but I suspect that you feel that a state like Massachusetts that makes a woman get a pistol permit to buy even a can of MACE is a state that empowers women and is the halmark of diversity. But the last time I looked, Massachusetts has 2 male Senators, a male governor and has never had a woman elected to the highest offices and probably will not anytime soon.
August 26th, 2005 at 7:14 pm
Carnival of Cordite #28
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August 26th, 2005 at 11:19 pm
During the Civil War all the adult men of my Great-great grandfather’s family were off with Sam Grant and later, Cump Sherman. The Sioux got kinda uppity, the womenfolk defended that Kansas Soddy long enough that the Militia was able to run them off. They used guns.
Fast forward a couple generations, my branch of the family had built a Texas Ranch thanks to a land grant for Great-great granpappy’s service in the Commanche Wars, WWI had come along, all the menfolk were again off to War, Grandmaw shot a thief that pegged a shot at her for daring to object to his attempt to steal their livlihood.
The next generation my Mother sprinkled the Klu Klux Klan with birdshot, only because she couldn’t find the buckshot in time, when they came ’round trying to run off the black family she’d hired to help with the place after the men had gone to war again.
Every generation of the women of my family has used a gun, if nothing else to blow coyotes out of the chicken house, since we came to Golden America from the old country. There we were serfs, allowed to have neither guns nor land of our own. If the nobility came nigh our women smeared themselves with mud and dung as their only defense against rape. My wife, nor my daughter will never smear herself with dung.
Oh, Egalia, we’d ALL prefer to to find common ground and mutual respect and all that nice stuff. What is the common ground with a murderous loon that wants you dead? Will you compromise with just a few broken bones? Will the murderous loon accept the compromise?
September 27th, 2005 at 8:54 am
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November 4th, 2005 at 11:02 am
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