Charlie Daniels was right
Over at Michael Silence’s blog on the Knoxville News Sentinel is a post from News Sentinel On-line Editor Jack Lail that is from my perspective over the line. Mr. Lail is responding to a post on Charlie Daniels blog where Mr. Daniels questions the coverage by the Main Stream Media of the brutal murders of Channon Christian or Christopher Newsome of Knoxville. You need to read Mr. Daniels post and Mr. Lail’s post to have the whole story.
This is my response to Mr. Lail.
Mr. Lail, is it possible you have misunderstood what Charlie Daniels meant? You seem to be very defensive about this. Mr. Lail, you also wrote, “Daniels should be ashamed of his own involvement in seeding lies and nurturing hate.” Let’s examine your calling Charlie Daniels a liar.
Are you suggesting that since “several stories and photos” were distributed by AP that Charlie Daniels is wrong? Mr. Daniels wrote, “But have you seen anything on the networks, The New York Times, The Nashville Tennessean? I haven’t.”
Isn’t what Mr. Daniels suggests is that this story was not reported to the level of fluff stories carried by the AP and the Main Stream Media? Also, Charlie Daniels did not mention the Knoxville News Sentinel did he?
So where does your outrage come from sir? Is it not clear to you Mr. Lail that Charlie Daniels is not talking about your newspaper the Knoxville News Sentinel?
Simply put Mr. Lail, has this story had the column inches on AP and the MSM that the Paris Hilton DUI case has? Britney’s haircut? Anna Nicole Smith’s death?
Of course it hasn’t. And that is exactly Charlie Daniels point.
So please explain Mr. Lail how that is a “heinous falsehood” and why “Daniels should be ashamed of his own involvement in seeding lies and nurturing hate”. Your defense of the Main Stream Media makes no sense what so ever. And you wonder why people are not reading newspapers. Look in the mirror. It’s not about you Mr. Lail, it is about your sorry industry. Get your own house in order before you call others liars.
I think you owe Charlie Daniels an apology.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
On his blog Jack Lail responds:
Daniels says:
“Shame on the American media for letting such a violent crime as this slip through the cracks. I wonder what else they’re not reporting.”
The Knoxville News Sentinel and the many other media that have reported this story are part of the “American media.”
It just hasn’t slipped through the cracks. We have covered it. So have others.
I’m not defensive about it. Sometimes you just have to point out that what some are passing along as fact, just isn’t.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
I will say that we haven’t heard much of anything about it here in Nashville. You’d think this would have been blared across the state…since…you know…it happened in this state and was such a horrendous crime. Nobody knows about it here.
I first read about it here:
http://montieth.livejournal.com/161313.html
It brings up a great point about self-defense. Anti-self-defense groups would say that you need to give up your car if you get carjacked. Just let them take what you want, and they’ll go away. However, in some examples, that only leads to a larger crime…such as what happened here.
I do know this…when people have heard about this particular crime, they want to get a carry permit (if they don’t already have one). Maybe that’s another reason we haven’t heard much about it. Hmm
May 18th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Maybe that’s another reason we haven’t heard much about it.
Meaning that when people hear about this event, they may want to try to defend themselves in the future with…*gasp*…a firearm.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
My response at Jack Lail’s blog to his comment above:
Political correctness is the cancer of this country. The problems we face in America are largely rooted in the press we have and their gutless slavery to political correctness. Mr. Lail is a man who is clearly in denial.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Call me jaded and cynical (heck, that’s my site motto!) but I see the lack of coverage by national media as more an indication of its own racist bias, KWIM?
Channeling the media here: several members of the lacrosse team at Duke University (aka rich, white boys) are accused of raping an “exotic dancer” who just so happens to be black. That’s unexpected, that’s unusual … good white boys dont’ do that kind of thing.
Still in the MSM mindset: Young couple out on a date are kidnapped, raped, tortured, murdered by a group of people that happen to be black. Ho hum. Same ole, same ole. Nothing new here. Move along.
Unless, of course, it can be spun up to be more about black rage at the oppression they suffer at the hands of rich white folk.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
If Jesus returns and has another Palm Sunday we know where he can find a ride, don’t we? Mr. Lail seems to fit the bill nicely.
May 18th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
The case in question is as horrific (if not moreso) as the death of James Byrd in Jasper, Texas. The media jumped all over that case before any motive was discovered.
No such attention to the deaths of Christian and Newsome. What else other than hate would cause people to do what those animals did?
May 18th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Perhaps the case isn’t widely covered because the sensational details can’t be verified?
By all accounts, according to Scheie’s investigation, there are no publicly available sources for the claims of torture, rape, and mutilation. The original source appears to be an editorial, and one whose author won’t return emails or identify even the nature of her sources, let alone their identities or how they’d know what they claim to know.
To have a coverup, it helps if there’s something to actually cover up, rather than what might, by all actual evidence, just be a non-“hate” double murder; for one of those it’s gotten all the national coverage such crimes usually get (ie, about none).
May 18th, 2007 at 4:29 pm
(That appears to have eaten my link; Here it is in plaintext: http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2007/05/my_cheap_tabloi.html.
I read Scheie’s blog every day, and this is his fifth post on the subject. It’s long seemed to me that there’s just no there, there to this story, as far as the “horrible” parts go.
None of the actual police reports evidently mention this alleged torture and mutilation… whose “reports” are being referred to in Williams’ editorial?
Nobody knows!
Has any other human being seen them?
They don’t appear to be stepping forward, if they have.)
May 18th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
Perhaps the case isn’t widely covered because the sensational details can’t be verified?
How does that matter?
Why does the news coverage of this rely on “sensational details”? There is no doubt a period of time went by from the original car jacking while Channon Christian was alive. Does it matter what horrific things happened?
God, I hope that is not the case.
On a national level this story has been under reported. That is what Charlie Daniels said and he was right. This post is about Jack Lail of the Knoxville News Sentinel calling Charlie Daniels a liar.
Compare this to the coverage of the Don Imus incident. Was there equal coverage?
May 18th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
what good is more exposure to this crime going to do? it will do nothing more than sully the juror pool more so than it already is. if they were your children would you want them plastered all over the nation media? typical of #9 to make an issue out of something that shouldn’t be. You’d argue with your own fucking shadow just to have people pay attention to you. go away, you are ruining SU’s blog.
May 18th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
[…] Lail’s post inspired #9 to respond directly, defending Daniels’ position: Isn’t what Mr. Daniels suggests is that this story was not reported to the level of fluff stories carried by the AP and the Main Stream Media? Also, Charlie Daniels did not mention the Knoxville News Sentinel did he? […]
May 18th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
Nashville is Talking » Newsom/Christian Murders
You wrote a fair report with equal coverage Brittney. That is all that can be asked of a reporter.
May 18th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
#9isafool Says:
May 18th, 2007 at 5:53 pm e
what good is more exposure to this crime going to do? it will do nothing more than sully the juror pool more so than it already is. if they were your children would you want them plastered all over the nation media? typical of #9 to make an issue out of something that shouldn’t be. You’d argue with your own fucking shadow just to have people pay attention to you. go away, you are ruining SU’s blog.
Hey Justin, JustinB, The Hoff, Dominic, not wearing a tin foil hat, etc..
Pick a name and stick with it. Use a real email address. Of the 67 posts you have made since March 30th 2006 here few of them make any sense. They are insults to
Unclevarious commenters, and myself. (Looks like it was just various commenters and myself on closer review)Should I feel slighted? You have made very few comments about me. Don’t tell me I am the most progressive person here.I don’t mind your posts. Just pick a name and use a real email address. If you ever want to do anything more than taunt people I would be happy to have a discussion with you.
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I don’t think I got my point across. Is this better?
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As I said, pick a name and use a real email address. You want to discuss this? Or not?
May 18th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Moving along. Over at Michelle Malkin’s site hotair.com it has been reported that this story has been picked up by Fox News.
A request from a commenter has been made to take this in a different direction.
JustinB wants me to comment on his post “what good is more exposure to this crime going to do? it will do nothing more than sully the juror pool more so than it already is. if they were your children would you want them plastered all over the nation media?”
Here is the deal. Use your name and a real email address and I will comment. Do we have a deal? Or do I delete the comments where you will not agree to this simple request. I am much more persistent than you are. I think you understand that.
I will honor your request if you abide by the house rules. Your move.
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A pseudonym will be fine. You can use The Hoff if you choose. Last call, do you want to discuss this?
May 18th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
To anyone concerned #9 keeps deleting my posts. Here are the past few:
Why did you delete my post #9? That sounds like something someone from “Progressiveville” would do. Whats the matter #9? Answer my earlier post and quit deleting them. You got booted form Knoxviews and came here to post your rhetorical BS. Is it any wonder no one can stand you on Knoxviews or the Blab? Why don’t you act like a man, grow some balls and quit deleting posts that disparage your “blogging talent”?
I don’t mind your posts. Just pick a name and use a real email address. If you ever want to do anything more than taunt people I would be happy to have a discussion with you.
Thats funny…the anonymous straw man calling me out for using different “names”. Nice. I’ll be more than happy to have a beer with you downtown and discuss/debate your views. Feel free to let me know via SU.
You deleted what I said earlier but I have never insulted SU. I know him/been to his house/gun shows etc… Let him decide if I have insulted him or not.
• not a hypocrite Says:
May 18th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
quit deleting my posts and use your real name ass.
earlier post that you deleted
Why did you delete my post #9? That sounds like something someone from “Progressiveville” would do. Whats the matter #9? Answer my earlier post and quit deleting them. You got booted form Knoxviews and came here to post your rhetorical BS. Is it any wonder no one can stand you on Knoxviews or the Blab? Why don’t you act like a man, grow some balls and quit deleting posts that disparage your “blogging talent”?
I have everything copied/pasted and will continue to repost them long in to the night if you feel the need to keep deleting my responses. You are a hypocrite #9. Shall I search the SU archives when you pounded away at RNeal for “purging” people from his “Stalinest” web site? I believe you complained about being moved from the front page of Knoxviews or deleting your posts in general? Stop deleting my comments and act like a man.
May 18th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Provide me with a real name and address #9 and we can end this game.
May 18th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
Okay, Hoff. It’s your thread.
Have the discussion with yourself. I gave you a chance to discuss this. From now on I ignore you.
No ban for you. Have the discussion with yourself.
May 18th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
I find myself wanting to respond to a guy/girl/thing that insists on me divulging my name and email address (who by the way goes by #9 as a pseudonym and no email address on knoxviews
and Knoxblab) but I don’t have it in me… eh…I fell for your talk me in circles trap. Never again. “Cheers as they say”! I’m done.
May 18th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
Two things:
I don’t care who comments or what name they use on the 1nt3rw36s so long as it’s consistent. Sockpuppetry is not cool.
The deleting comments shit stops now.
My house, my rules.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:19 am
Here’s a wild idea … how about sticking to a discussion of the actual topic of the post?
Mr Sockpuppet – no one has suggest that the Knoxville murder case be given more coverage. We are wondering why it did not get similar coverage as other cases, like the Duke rape-that-never-was. This particular post is addressing Jack Lail’s out-of-character, over the top defensiveness in response to Charlie Daniels that very thing.
Questioning why something is the way it is is far different than suggesting or demanding that it be different. If you stop dancing with your strawman for a moment, you might be able to understand that.
May 19th, 2007 at 9:04 am
[…] #9 responds: So where does your outrage come from sir? Is it not clear to you Mr. Lail that Charlie Daniels is not talking about your newspaper the Knoxville News Sentinel? […]
May 19th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
The effort must be working, I saw a report on it over a Shreveport, La. station last night. Was not happy with the people involved making excuses for the killers, but at least the story made it to here.
Anybody think it would have if Daniel’s or bloggers weren’t exposing the lack of coverage.
May 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
[…] was content with #9’s logical one-two punch delivered about the head, throat, and abdomen of the Knoxville News Sentinel’s Jack Lair […]
May 20th, 2007 at 9:42 am
I was very surprised to find out this is not the first time this madness of political correctness in the Main Stream Media has occurred. On the Wiki page for the Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom murder is a link to another story censored by the Main Stream Media that happened in Wichita, Kansas in the winter of 2000. It was known as the Wichita Massacre. While similar it was even worse, if that is possible. I had never heard of it.
How can there now be any doubt about bias in the MSM? Compared to the coverage of the Duke Lacrosse case and the Don Imus incident, these two stories were blacked out by the media. The question is why?
May 22nd, 2007 at 6:00 pm
This is the 1st time I’ve heard of the murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome or the Witchita massacre. Now I dont live in a cave in the mountains, though after hearing about these brutal murders I sometimes wish I did, but one would think that such horrible crimes would get big time coverage by the media and small town folks like me (I live in Wyoming) would hear about them.
I chalk it up to political correctness, America’s worse plague.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:19 pm
I chalk it up to political correctness, America’s worse plague.
I see it tearing this country apart. Can anything be done?
Update: more conversations with Jack Lail.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:06 pm
[…] week I wrote about the local online Editor of the Knoxville News Sentinel and comments he made about Charlie Daniels […]
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:07 pm
Correction: I never said there were “no publicly available sources for the claims of torture, rape, and mutilation” — only that there are no publicly available sources for the claims of pre-mortem sexual mutilation. The MSM has not devoted enough time to reporting this case, but it doesn’t help to circulate unfounded reports — which BTW the DA’s office now says are false.
http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2007/05/post_348.html
This is a gruesome enough case without embellishing the facts.
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 pm
I misread you, Eric – sorry.
But I think the essence is still correct; there’s been embellishment (and isn’t the current report from one of the victims’ family members that at least some of the claims about the specifics of the torture/mutiliation were also exaggerated?) and such embellishment isn’t good.
(Part of my point, which one of the #9s seems to have missed, is that without all the mutilation and rape, it’s just a gruesome murder… and thus not especially worthy of nationwide media frenzy. Gruesome murders happen, and they don’t typically get covered nationwide.
But add some extra mutilation and rape in there, and eventually it’s scandalous enough to warrant it. I was only pointing out that at least some of that was unsubstantiated – even if my misreading/memory had exaggerated the extent … of the exaggeration!)
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pm
Part of my point, which one of the #9s seems to have missed, is that without all the mutilation and rape, it’s just a gruesome murder…
I did not reference the mutilation because it wasn’t needed, it wasn’t in the paper, and it is just too grotesque.
The rape and sodomy aspect was reported early on.
We just don’t have young couples car jacked, kidnapped, raped, sodomized, and killed. That doesn’t happen either in Knoxville or in East Tennessee. Is it a common occurrence where you live Sigivald?
From our local crime statistics this was one of the most horrific double murders in history. The fact that Channon was alive for a longer period of time was unique but good Lord this isn’t a contest for ratings. In this same time frame I have read and seen more in the national media about Anna Nicole Smith, Paris Hilton, and Brittney Spears than I have this case.
This idea that the mutilation is required for this to get national coverage is very disturbing. The press is broken. That is the point I am addressing.
Sigivald, a few people over at NIT are making the same point you are making. I don’t understand that point.