Uncle Bot’s: Tally ho!
Today’s PSH brought to you by the Cornell Daily Sun’s Tony Manfred:
I can go to a store right now and buy an AK-47; is there not something incredibly disturbing about that?
First of all, no you can’t. Second, no.
And my fave:
The delusional Neanderthals at the National Rifle Association should be charged as accomplices in every gun-related murder since 1871.
Update: Seems folks can’t comment there.
Update 2: Turns out the comments there are just moderated. I received an email from Mike Wacker the web editor at the Cornell Daily Sun:
Dear Sir or Madam,
Through Google Analytics, I have determined that your website has generated a substantial amount of traffic to Tony Manfred’s blog about guns. I do not have much to say on the issue of the Second Amendment, but I would like to clarify our comment policy, since you claim we are not letting people comment on our website.
We are allowing comments for this blog like any other content on our website, but all anonymous comments must be approved (especially to protect against comments promoting Viagra, porn, etc.). Specifically, the comment that one person claimed would not get through was approved by me today.
Sometimes there can be a substantial delay until someone who has permission to approve comments logs on to the website and approves the comment. As much as we would love to check the website every minute for comments, the staff at The Cornell Daily Sun does sleep, do homework, and attend classes, so we apologize if our response may be slow at times to approve comments.
I hope that clarifies any misunderstandings you may have. Please feel free to reply if you would like to know anything more.
Hats off to the guy for letting me know. I’ve corrected my errors. I wonder if Manfred will correct his?
October 15th, 2007 at 10:15 am
Yup, Cornell is full of the type. Of course, I did learn to shoot a rifle there. And the first centerfire rifle I ever shot was an M1 Garand at a cookout hosted by my history professor in his back yard.
October 15th, 2007 at 10:46 am
I’ve tried three times to leave a comment there. Unfortunately, once the phrase “god damned pants shitting fuck-nozzle” shows up in my comment, I have to delete it and walk away.
It’s so hard to respond to vapidity. Blood-thirsty? Right to non-violence? Hell, throw in puppies and unicorns why don’t you? They’d fit into the fantasy.
It wouldn’t bother me if these people didn’t vote, but they do, and they do so from such an uninformed position that it is a danger to everyone.
I’m not paranoid, but I honestly believe we are fighting a losing cause sometimes. I mean, Microstamping? In 10 seconds I can completely defeat the system with a file or by going to the range and picking up a few extra casings. Or using a revolver. But yet enough people were fooled into thinking it is actually a workable solution that Ah-nuld felt it politically wise to vote for it.
That kind of stupidity is hard to change. And with every tiny bit of rights lost to these kinds of things, the harder our fight becomes.
And when the time comes (if it already hasn’t passed), will the defenders of liberty actually rise against the tyranny we call our government?
October 15th, 2007 at 10:47 am
“the kid had a handgun, a rifle, and an assault rifle”
Funny how one gun turns into multiple guns when it suits the PSH of the writer.
October 15th, 2007 at 10:59 am
My favorite quote is “Our loyalty to the Constitution is killing thousands of Americans a year.”
Lots of anti-gunners call the NRA a bunch of “delusional neanderthals”(sic) and murderers… but how often is a pants-shitter this honest about their disdain for freedom?
I think the first comment (by Kurt Hofmann) is probably all the fisking this one deserves.
October 15th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
So does that mean we can charge the Brady Bunch as accomplices to every gun-related homicide in DC, NYC, Chicago, etc?
October 15th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
I think there was a news item that said he also had a .22 LR rifle and pistol.
October 15th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
Is that what we’ve been doing? Where does he get his information? How is this printable?
October 15th, 2007 at 2:30 pm
Mine showed up OK after a little while. We should take up a collection to send him some new underwear.
October 15th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
“I can go to a store right now and buy an AK-47; is there not something incredibly disturbing about that?”
Nope, in fact the AK is a very nice, quality weapon that is a lot of fun to shoot.
“People aren’t keeping muskets in their cupboards in case the government comes and tries to take their land; they are stockpiling assault rifles so they can go out and murder dozens of little kids before anyone can even reach for their cell phone to call 911”
ive never once thought about killing any kid… however i do realize that if someone comes to try to harm my kids, the likelihood is that they can do so long before the cops can get there, so its up to me to defend my family.
““Guns don’t kill people, people kill people,” is one of the single dumbest combination of words in the English language. Are you kidding? If I don’t have a gun, the likelihood that I will be able to kill to you is undeniably much lower. Guns kill people. There is no chance that Americans would be killing each other at this high a rate if guns were illegal.”
really? its already illegal for felons to own guns and they manage to kill with them just fine… and i state again, my guns have never once killed anyone, let alone even shot at anyone…
“My right to stay alive, my right to not get murdered, supercedes your right to have the option of murdering me. This is a case of putting the right to life behind the right to bear arms. Fewer guns make everyone safer. Banning guns allows for an unfettered pursuit of happiness.”
statistics show that you are much more likely to live through a dangerous situation while in the presence of a lawful gun owner than in the presence of other unarmed people… again, my guns have never murdered anyone, but they just might prevent myself or someone else from getting murdered
“Our current gun laws assure that no one is safe. No matter if we go to school in an Amish one- room schoolhouse, or an under-funded inner-city school, or a standard suburban school with manicured lawns and high test scores, we live in a constant state of fear. Guns guarantee not just the threat of murder, but murder itself.”
hmmm, so the fact that the people that committed those acts were already prohibited from owning guns, and that those places have big signs out front saying “gun free zone” isnt enough? perhaps having trained, armed people at those places that could defend the kids would work eh?
October 15th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
read some more… the only actual firearm was a 9mm carbine… and they also mention a plastic container full of BBs that could be filled with gunpowder to make a bomb, that one was assembled and the others were capable of being assembled… i wonder if those are airsoft grenades?
since PA has not storage laws, i still fail to see how the charges are gonna stick…
October 15th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
Well, if the fool is talking about the AirSoft toys that were on display as the “cache of weapons seized” … yes he can just like my kid did this weekend with some of his allowance money.
–MuzzleBlast
October 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
“9mm carbine”
– Is that the “assualt rifle” that I have been hearing about in the media since the story broke?
October 15th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
“”And when the time comes (if it already hasn’t passed), will the defenders of liberty actually rise against the tyranny we call our government?””
I am afraid the time has already passed. Too many don’t want their comforts disturbed. There are too many that want their moment of fame by ratting the defenders out and those who would go into PSH over a little talk. In a group there is always someone who will brag or let something slip. The government has so many different ways to monitor us “subjects” through wiretaps or internet “code word alerts”. The technology used to track down Al Quaida is a good example.
Just recently a friend’s son was expelled from a private Christian college for having a 3 1/2″ pocket knife in his dorm room. He was ratted out by his room mate that just happened to be a drunk on an athletic scholarship.
The freedom defenders would have to work alone without communication or contacts. It takes next to nothing for our tryants to bring “conspiracy” charges.
Within the last few months there was a posting over at David’s WOG on “THE LOGISTICS OF FREEDOM”. “UNINTENDED CONQUENCES” by John Ross enlightens on the difficulties also.
Court Tv’s “FORENSIC FILES” also sheds another light on the difficulty from that end.
For any amount of sucess, snitches would have to fear and the 900,000 LEOs would have to be overwhelmed.
Most real freedom lovers would personally suffer and risk death for the future freedom for their children, but who wants to be the first (or the example) not knowing if others will follow? Who wants to go forth in vain?
As it is, tyrants, be they petty school administrators or government bureaucrats, will continue to gradually lay the chains of slavery
on us as long as there is no fear of retaliation.
October 15th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
My Comment on his site: So, let’s get this straight, GW Bush and an agency who LIED to you and EXPLOITED you by displaying this kids TOY guns are the ONLY people you want armed?
Nice.
October 15th, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Is there a PSH award of the year? If there is, I nominate this guy for the most tripe ever written in one article.
October 15th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
They printed my comment. How can they stand themselves? Are they not men?
And Uncle: Just for the record, you’re a Sir, correct? All the way, right?
October 15th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
“…they are stockpiling assault rifles so they can go out and murder dozens of little kids before anyone can even reach for their cell phone to call 911.”
He forgot the part about terrorizing them first because the flesh taste so much sweeter from their fear.
“And for those who want to keep guns legal so that they can fulfill some twisted fetish by murdering defenseless animals, I’m deeply sorry.”
Now if you will excuse me, I must go eat some USDA approved domesticated cow that had its life ended with a pneumatic punch through its temple after being led by its feeder into a restraining stall.
October 15th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Dear Uncle Sam,
I have been accused of writing an article filled with “blatant falsehoods”. As I have pointed out, I mistakingly used the term “AK-47” when I should have said “semiautomatic AK-47”, so for this I apologize. Now I ask to which other errors are you referring? As far as I can tell, the “errors” than many people accuse me of are in fact not errors at all, such as:
There were indeed three legitimate guns involved.
The Associated Press, a new service who has never been categorized as biased or liberal, referred to the 9 mm as an assault rifle in this report. http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/nation_world/10458622.html
My statement regarding “keeping muskets” vs. “stockpiling assault rifles” is meant to imply the difference between what weapons can be used for then vs. now. I’m certainly not saying everyone is stockpiling guns for this purpose, not to say that it is an impossibility would be a bit naive. Just as all gun owners in 1791 weren’t keeping muskets in order to fight a potential government crackdown, but it is possible that they did.
I think the most fitting way to describe a collection of weapons is with the word “cache”. Even if they are toy weapons the term “cache” still applies. That is simply a matter of diction.
Are there any other “errors” that need I need to address?
Thank you for reading my entry, that is if you took the time to do so, and I look forward to further debate on this issue.
–Tony Manfred
October 15th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
* 1st paragraph: “than” should be “that”
**4th paragraph: strike the second “not” from the second sentence
October 15th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Tony Manfred says
So you are using a straw man to prove your point?
October 15th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Well, Mr. Manfred, it is SayUncle and not Uncle Sam.
You said School shootings happen in rural schools filled with buck-hunting evangelists who think psychological issues are for the weak and the sinful, or in city schools filled with the drugged-out, 50 Cent-obsessed descendents of poor rapists and murders, but not in Plymouth Meeting. No, these types of things don’t happen in such a pastoral oasis of sensibility.
That’s factual?
You said he had an assault rifle. Again, not factual.
You say: they are stockpiling assault rifles so they can go out and murder dozens of little kids before anyone can even reach for their cell phone to call 911.
That’s factual?
And that’s as far as I can get in the piece before I start shaking my head at your hysterics.
October 15th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
“My statement regarding “keeping muskets” vs. “stockpiling assault rifles” is meant to imply the difference between what weapons can be used for then vs. now.”
Despite your INTENDED implication, your statement plainly reads that those who “stockpile” (own more that one?) are making plans to commit murder – of children, no less! The “can be” in your qualifier on this site is prominently lacking on your blog. That type of flaming, of which that is but one example in your article, is going to bring about a strong response.
I suspect you will be getting such for some time.
October 15th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
SayUncle,
The paragraph about rural areas and city areas is overtly ironic. It was the belief of the town prior to this incident. I think that is pretty obvious. How could I seriously refer to any place as a “pastoral oasis of sensibility” without trying to be funny/ironic.
The AP referred to the weapon as an assault rifle. The only people who are saying that is an overstatement are bloggers like yourself. When the AP retracts it, I will.
Your last issue and Clint’s only issue, I already addressed. I don’t think I’m being inflammatory, I think you are just reading this passage in a way that makes me look more radical than my words dictate.
October 15th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
To further clarify, the perception in Plymouth prior to last week’s incident that I described in the opening paragraph comes from two actual events: one of which was last year’s massacre at an Amish schoolhouse in PA, and the other you can take your pick, last week’s killings in Cleveland for example. It’s a naive perception of course. I don’t think I need to explain irony here, google it.
October 15th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
To further clarify, the perception in Plymouth prior to last week’s incident that I described in the opening paragraph comes from two actual events: one of which was last year’s massacre at an Amish schoolhouse in PA, and the other you can take your pick, last week’s killings in Cleveland for example. It’s a naive perception of course. I don’t think I need to explain irony here.
October 15th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
Sorry, but there’s a bit more to the comment than rural v. urban, such as the notion that religious deer hunters are somehow tied to these shootings.
I have no doubt. They are incorrect too. Go to wikipedia and search for assault rifle.
So, if I said people at Cornell are a bunch of morons/hippies/insert flavor of insult, that’s just literary license? I don’t buy it. In fact, I’d call it bigoted.
October 15th, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Dude, you accused gun people of wanting to kill kids. You made your own damn self look like a frothing-at-the-mouth extremist. SayUncle didn’t need any help with that, you did juuust fiiiine.
October 15th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
SayUncle,
That statement that you called “bigoted” was contained within an ironic description that was made to make fun of people who feel that way. It’s inherently anti-bigot. I don’t now why you keep coming back to it.
And to “pistolero”,
I don’t know what gun people are, but I was contrasting a purpose of gun ownership in the 18th century with a purpose of gun ownership in 2007. I was contrasting a purpose, not the purpose. That is the key distinction that indicates that I didn’t mean the statement to be all-encompassing.
October 15th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
I also don’t know why my comments keep disappearing. We allow your arguments on our website, I don’t see why you censor mine on yours.
October 15th, 2007 at 9:43 pm
The issue of “stockpiling weapons for the intent of mass murder” is not my only issue with your blog. I did, however, take the opportunity to address it in particular as you brought it up in this thread.
I am going to guess that you are very novice at blogging on Second Ammendment rights. An experienced blogger would have avoided most of the landmines you plodded accross. That you came to this site to more directly attempt to defend yourself shows that you may actually be interested in where you erred. Once again, you will have a great many volunteers who will want to enlighten you. They will not all be kind. We, as LAW-ABIDING firearm owners have long been fighting the tide that wishes to attempt to disarm us for no other reason than emotion and political misinformation.
Perhaps you will share the experience of this young man, who blundered into the same briar patch, by the end of it all: http://www.progressiveu.org/011100-the-gun-control-argument-part-2
Just a matter of note, though: pissing on the Constitution will win you no points at all. It allows for change within itself through ammendments. When a matter becomes socially important enough, the Constitution is altered through due process by elected represenatives. Ignoring a provision because it is supposedly antiquated is unacceptable in most circles, not just the gun community.
October 15th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
“Our current gun laws assure that no one is safe. No matter if we go to school in an Amish one- room schoolhouse, or an under-funded inner-city school, or a standard suburban school with manicured lawns and high test scores, we live in a constant state of fear.”
Tony, the current gun laws that prevent honest people from carrying the means to protect themsleves and others on school campuses, among other places, are the laws that assure that no one is safe. You might as well label them “free fire zones” because that’s what they are thanks to “our current gun laws”.
You talk about living in a constant state of fear. If it ever came down to where only cops, the Military, and criminals are the only ones who have firearms in the United States, and yes criminals WILL get them, that will certainly come to pass. Just ask any resident in Great Britain.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:21 am
I’m beginning to think this isn’t just ignorance, but evil.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:07 am
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October 16th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
Tony:
“I think the most fitting way to describe a collection of weapons is with the word “cache”. Even if they are toy weapons the term “cache” still applies. That is simply a matter of diction.”
Words mean things:
cache /kæʃ/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[kash] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, cached, cach·ing.
–noun
1. a hiding place, esp. one in the ground, for ammunition, food, treasures, etc.: She hid her jewelry in a little cache in the cellar.
2. anything so hidden: The enemy never found our cache of food.
3. Alaska and Northern Canada. a small shed elevated on poles above the reach of animals and used for storing food, equipment, etc.
–verb (used with object)
4. to put in a cache; conceal; hide.
So to be called a cache, weapons would need to be hidden. If a collection is not hidden, it is by definition not a cache.
There’s this cool website called dictionary.com. Use it. Just because others in the media throw around words with little idea as to their meaning doesn’t mean you have to.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Tony,
It would seem my spam filter ate a bunch of your comments. I’ve recovered all that I have found. Let me know if one is missing.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
“The Associated Press, a new service who has never been categorized as biased or liberal, referred to the 9 mm as an assault rifle in this report. http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/nation_world/10458622.html”
AHHH HA HA HA HA not biased… i suggest you take a look at their blatant support for hamas and their blatant anti-israeli views….
oh, and there was only one gun found at the house… the other two .22s were not at the residence… it is my understanding that PA does not have any storage laws, so them being in the kids bedroom were not illegal… i suspect that the charges against the mother will be dropped…
the kid might get in trouble for the “grenades” but as they were described, they were plastic containers full of BB’s capable of being filled with gunpowder… isnt that how airsof grenades function? im asking cus i dont know… and i wonder if they were as lethal as the press has said
October 16th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Tony
Regarding:
“Our current gun laws assure that no one is safe. No matter if we go to school in an Amish one- room schoolhouse, or an under-funded inner-city school, or a standard suburban school with manicured lawns and high test scores, we live in a constant state of fear. Guns guarantee not just the threat of murder, but murder itself.” (emphasis added)
Why then, did the incidents you reference take place in Gun Free Zones rather than at, say, The National Matches at Camp Perry, Knob Creek, any gun store in the nation, a police station, military base, or any of the dozens of other places with lots and lots of guns?
One might almost come to think that the presence of guns in some way deters crime…