NRA Headquarters Range and NFA
Apparently, it is not NFA friendly and the ROs don’t know the gun laws.
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April 9th, 2010 at 9:32 am
The NRA isn’t NFA friendly either.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:59 am
I’ve shot silenced rifles there before and it hasn’t been a problem so long as I had my stamp ready for inspection.
I’m not sure I understand what sort of firearm this guy was shooting. He calls it a “12 ga Ithaca Stakeout with a 14″ bbl.” That sounds like it would either be an SBS or an AOW. He calls it a pistol. If the guy couldn’t produce his stamp, the RO might have been right.
IIRC, NRA doesn’t allow PGO shotguns anyway for safety reasons.
April 9th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
it’s an AOW. but it is also a pistol
April 9th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
It sounds like the guy tried to argue that his AOW wasn’t a legally a shotgun per federal law, so it shouldn’t be subject to the NRA range’s no PGO shotgun rule.
Not a winning argument.
April 9th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
That’s exactly what he seemed to be arguing, and if you came to my club, which has an indoor pistol range, and tried to argue a shotshell firing pistol was a pistol, we’d kick you out too. Though because of the popularity of the Taurus Judge, we’ve had to clarify the rule to ban shot shells, not necessarily shotguns.
April 9th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Lots of ranges have lots of rules for a lot of reasons. You can’t shoot a Taurus Judge on my club’s indoor range. That doesn’t mean anything about what our clubs thinks of Taurus judges in general (we allow them on the outdoor pistol range).
April 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
One last comment.
There are lots of guns that NRA doesn’t permit at their indoor HQ range. PGO shotguns are one example. Blackpowder anything is another. Shotshell ammo is a third.
It’s a mistake to slam the NRA for prohibiting use of certain guns and ammo that aren’t suitable for use in a crowded indoor range and somehow extrapolate that NRA doesn’t support NFA or blackpowder or whatever…
Their concerns relate mostly to ensuring the safety of range visitors and also ensuring that their equipment doesn’t get shot up. They know that it’s very frustrating for visitors to show up at the range only to find that there’s an hour-long wait to shoot because negligent shooters broke the target trolleys on 3 lanes.
PGO shotguns and shotgun-type AOWs are notoriously difficult to aim. NRA made the call that they shouldn’t be used on their indoor range. That sounds reasonable to me.
I hope uncle revises the text of his post. Saying that NRA HQ isn’t NFA friendly and their ROs don’t know gun laws because an RO told a visitor that he couldn’t use a shotgun-type AOW is both wrong and insulting.
April 9th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Most shooting ranges aren’t NFA friendly, because allowing it is a serious cost, as MGs tend to tear up the range faster. I’ve never put any holes in the ceiling of my local range with semi-autos, but I have with a submachine gun that got away from me. Very embarrassing. Multiply that by a few dozen shooters a day and you can see why some clubs/ranges don’t want to be bothered being friendly to shooting MGs. I’ve not run into many ranges that care about suppressors, SBRs, or SBSs either, and as far as I remember all those things are fine at NRA’s range. MGs are allowed by appointment only, which is actually more accommodating than most commercial ranges or private clubs. My club bans MGs entirely, appointment or no.
April 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Not only have I been at the NRA range shooting suppressors out of SBRs, but I’ve been there plenty of times when MGs are on the line. RO’s have also always been nice (one offered tips on how to tighten up my shots with my M4). They’ve always been NFA friendly. They may ask to see your paperwork, but whatever.
This guy sounds like he was splitting legal definition hairs over a range rules issue and being a range lawyer.
NRA range is great.
April 9th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
The way I understand it there are thousands of wholes in that ranges ceiling. If you want to shoot MGs there you have to call ahead and get special permission to do so. Of course you may or may not get that permission.
April 9th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
oops meant holes
April 9th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
It’s a 50 yard indoor range. Depending on the distance you’re shooting at, you can put rounds into the floor if the target is too low. If you put the target too high, you can send rounds into the ceiling.
There are various levels of skill on that range and I don’t blame the RSO’s for being perhaps a bit overly cautious. I’ve seen folks put rounds into the wall, ceiling,floor and target carrier while shooting there.
I’ve also shot NFA items on that range with no problem.