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April 27th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
“First of all, there are a lot of people in the United States that haven’t come over a border.”
Must refer to those dope dealers tunneling their way in from Mexico. Do they get a pass?
April 27th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
The worst “illegals” are those who have been hired to “protect the States against invasion” according to their oath of office. That’s people like Clinton, Bush and Obama who REFUSE to their basic duty and REFUSE to enforce the law. Normally people are fired when refusing to do their jobs…but these derelicts remain.
April 27th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
People has lost the idea behind the word LAW and why we must follow it. it’s for our best interest,and our protection ect..
And here is 1 comment for the christans out there thinking there doing the right thing in defending illegal immigration. If whomsoever dident try to enter the country in a legal way first own there own. You should not be helping them at all! all your doing is helping them break the law.
“Follow the LAW of the Land” in the bible!!!!
For 1 person to say cops should only be looking for Drug makers ,auto thiefs ect… breaking the Law’s and not actively look for illegal immigrants breaking the law also,Law is the Law.
This Is the most ironic thing I have ever seen,read.
And most all Legal Tax paying American’s want this to be enforced but are afraid to say so. To speak of it is a tabo a fear of beining told there being “Racist” or something else?
I dont care what race you are! if your breaking the law when you came here then your breaking a “LAW” and it has to be treated as such, and nothing less.
As a Legal Tax paying American Born. I have the right to ask for protection from All who are breaking the Law’s that might affect me in any way, what so ever.
I think it’s a crying shame when people that are law abiding legal americans are afraid to ask Federal,or their local law enforcement ,goverment to do there job in enforcing the all Law’s ..the Law’s have to be enforced. Even at a local level
When a Bank gets robbed its a Federal crime and a local crime also. it breaks federal law and local law’s also, so both enforcements act upon it. working hand in hand with each other. as so they should.
same should be with illegal immigration also.
Racial profilling hum …They need to ask for legal id from every 1 in sight…no matter what the race!!!
April 27th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
I’m still trying to figure out how illegals receive Constitutional rights when they are NOT U.S. citizens !!!!
April 27th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
because the bill of rights doesn’t say “citizens have these rights” it says “government cannot infringe on these rights”.
April 27th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Best answer I have heard to that question, uncle.
April 27th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
This is an easy one. It was already FEDERALLY illegal to be in illegal alien. It was not, however, illegal on the state level. Therefore, state and local police did not have jurisdiction, the feds had to take care of it. That worked for a long time but doesn’t seem to be working anymore since, under the Obama admin, the feds are busy working on other things (like practically non-existatnt gun show guns being smuggled into Mexico turning it into a hell hole) all while Mexico’s drug war problems are spilling over into Arizona. There was very little the local cops can do about it but react after the fact. This law gives them a tool that they didn’t have before in the hopes that it can make things a little better.
The right way to go about it? Probably not, but until the Obama administration does what it needs to do and closes the border (and protects it properly) until Mexico can get it’s house in order, maybe it’s the only thing they COULD do. We all know Obama isn’t going to do the right thing here, hell, he has his wife telling people that it is safe to vacation in Mexico right in the middle of a war zone. If I was living on the Mexico/Arizona border I would be scared. Oh… and loaded for bear… even more than I already am.
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April 27th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Does the Constitution extend to the entire world ??
April 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
it extends to our government.
April 27th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Which, as near as I can tell has failed miserably at securing our borders. No one wants to be profiled, least of all me. Legal immigration should be enforced. How? Wish I had the best answer, but AZ @ least has addressed the issue whether anyone agrees or not.
April 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
“Does the Constitution extend to the entire world ??”
The rights recognized by it do.
April 27th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Great idea, but go to Venezuela & see how far our bill of rights goes.
April 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Willful obtuseness…
April 27th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
If you go back to the confederatation of the 13 states. NC confederation stands for TN. also because NC. gave land for TN. to become. so say the Fed.gov. “land grants” It states in it “if an immigrant owns land and paying land tax and are the owner for 1 year can become a cizian of the USA/.
April 27th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
SayUncle did the Constitution or bill of rights replace or combine with the Confederations of the 13 coll.? and did the confederations become state laws.
If any one wonder why WASH.Dc. is in VA. its in Va. Confederation’s why its there.
thease documents were in 1773-1775
have nothing to do with 1860 war..
April 27th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
1. I think our immigration laws need to be reformed so that people who want to come here, work hard and have opportunity can.
2. I don’t think #1 should happen until the welfare state has been systematically dismantled. Anything else is begging for a wave of people looking for handouts….
April 27th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
For #1 I should say “can do it much easier.”
April 27th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
I have a Mexican friend whose mother brought him and his brother here when they were kids. He graduated from high school in California and went to Iraq with the National Guard, where he was wounded and got his Purple Heart. He still is not a U.S. citizen although his military service would probably make it easier for him to apply. He is not looking forward to traveling across Arizona in the future.
April 27th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
I hadn’t worked that out Stuart the Viking. Thanks for a different point of view on the issue. Will it, and Alaska style carry, work? Nobody knows yet of course. But props to AZ for trying. .gov sitting on its hands for 30 years clearly hasn’t worked.
BTW, SRATFOR has a reasonable essay on why the issues in Mexico aren’t going to change any time soon.
April 27th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
Stuart the Viking: Obama isn’t protecting the border, but I got news for ya: Niether did the Bushes or Clinton. This is not a new problem.
Stonzzes: The COTUS replaces the Articles of Confederation, and DC is NOT in Virginia. Read Art I Sec 8.
Hellferbreakfast: Our government was founded upon the principle that ALL people are endowed with certain rights, merely because they exist. Governments are supposed to safeguard those rights. Saying that rights do not exist because a government has taken them is against the founding principles of our Nation.
With that being said, you need to protect your borders, or you do not have a country. Are roadblocks and checkpoints the answer? Not in my book.
April 27th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
@hellferbreakfast;
The best way I can describe to you is the way is described to me in my college government classes. The U.S. Constitution is basically a contract with every citizen of the planet. ANYONE, ANYWHERE that has ANY dealings with ANY U.S. Government organization has these rights extended to them. Also, the town of Farmers Branch in my good old home state of Texas tried to pull a similar stunt but it was through rental of property and employment. The fact that the Federal government is meant to deal with problems of immigration like these means that these laws passed by state governments are unconstitutional, in that they violate that contract, whether they are an illegal immigrant or not, it is still a violation of that right.
April 27th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Trying to keep ants out of the kitchen is an exercise in futility if you don’t clean up the big pile of sugar in the middle of the floor…
April 27th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Lots of BS out there. All the law does is preempts with State law and
Expands trespassing to include someone on private or public land without their green card required by federal law to be carried at all times.
So does anybody really think random stopping of hispanics will stand up to reasonable suspicion? And so now the state has a law that permits them to detain those who are not in compliance with federal law and felony prosecute those who are involved in other major crimes.
And all this is somehow unconstitutional?
April 27th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
CMathews, the idea that the state cannot pass laws regarding the status and treatment of illegal immigrants within the state vis a vis state law and state officials is quite wrong. Such laws have been upheld by the US SCt. That the Constitution places the authority regarding immigration and naturalization in Congress means that Arizona can’t say who is or is not legally resident or a citizen. But it does not mean that Arizona can pass no legislation on what to do with those that Congress has deemed illegally here.
Further, Federal statute recognizes the role of state law enforcement in enforcing immigration law during their contacts with criminals. Hence section 287g.
April 27th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
JKB, the trespassing provision did not get enacted.
April 27th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
So,
Having to prove that you purchased medical insurance just to be a U.S. citizen is a good thing,
but…
Have to provide documentation that you are legally in the U.S. is a bad thing…
…I’m confused!
April 27th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
TheOtherLarry, federal law requires legal immigrants to carry identification as it is. The idea that this is some sort of “new” and “unconstitutional” provision is simply false.
April 27th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
I guess I wasn’t clear on my sarcasm. Sorry.
April 28th, 2010 at 12:07 am
Sorry that I missed it.
April 28th, 2010 at 6:17 am
Isn’t the big pile of sugar on the floor our (traditionally) good economy, peace, and freedom? Not sure I want to clean that up.
April 28th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
David –
It used to be. Which made it pretty much a self-sustaining pile of sugar. Now it’s our welfare state.
April 28th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
ok it was replaced by a non descriptive document on what it takes an allien/immigrant to become a legal US citizen..what a FLAW:) haha mised it on that 1 big time:)
April 29th, 2010 at 1:09 am
The U.S. Constitution is basically a contract with every citizen of the planet. ANYONE, ANYWHERE that has ANY dealings with ANY U.S. Government organization has these rights extended to them.
What ? Some one has taken The U.S.Constitution idea to the FARR FARR feched ideas, Verry left wing. Liberals’s
To whom ever made that statement to you, ask them “OK then why was it writen with U.S. in it at the time “United States Constitution” Dosent say All of the world .It was writen for the protection for the United State’s Citizen’s in the United States. And why was it not called “The World Constitution”
Given an inch and they will twist it into a mile!!
#1 where was the document written?” the U.S. Constitution ? and in what country?
#2 what Country has the rights to enforce it ?
#3 Who do we think we are to give right’s to people that are citizen’s to a different country that have there own rights there and just what if, there country dont want them to have some of them rights we have given to them ?
#4 and how do we enforce our right’s we have given them in other countrys and there citizen’s?
#5 when the citizens of a country accepts our rights given to them in their country by us? are we liable to enforce it in there country?
#6 most of this Idealism is about over Educated people trying to make there mark & DumbA@@ lawers in office trying to protect who?or twist the law’s for what.
Not the LEGAL American citizen in the U.S.A.
With a good guess. I do believe it was NOT the initial idea of our Law makers of the time 1776,to extend this Document outside the borders of The United States Of America.
And the sky is green and the ground is blue yea if you hanging up side down:)
April 30th, 2010 at 12:43 am
Im sorry if my statements offend anyone.
Im am not trying to get any one mad.
I do believe all people have natural rights “god” given rights as a Human.