Two rimfire blegs
First, I’m looking for a flash suppressor for an AR-15 that is threaded so that you can put a sound suppressor over it. I know I’ve seen them somewhere but I can’t remember where.
Two, recommend me a 22LR pistol. I’ve decided I just don’t care for the Walther P22 any more. I was pondering either an Advantage Arms Conversion Kit for a Glock or a Ruger MK 22 45. The requirement is that the barrel can be threaded, though.
May 3rd, 2010 at 10:48 am
That kind of flash supressor is usually made for a certain model of supressor, I don’t recall ever seeing a generic one.
May 3rd, 2010 at 10:54 am
I have one Blackwater Sig that runs a .22LR adapter – both the 9mm and .22 barrels are threaded.
May 3rd, 2010 at 10:59 am
Second the recommendation of a SIG with a .22LR kit. They do sell a threaded barrel version.
May 3rd, 2010 at 11:07 am
YHM http://www.yhm.net/store/Sound_Accessories.html
AAC http://www.advanced-armament.com/default.aspx?pageId=4
Not sure if they are brand specific on the suppressors but they sound like what you are after.
As for the 22 pistol, I have a AA 22 kit for my G17 and a battered Ruger MK-II. The AA kit is great for a training tool but the Ruger is a better pistol and would lend itself better to adding a suppressor. Tactical Solutions makes some nifty top ends (which are the firearm on a Ruger).
May 3rd, 2010 at 11:16 am
Don’t use an adapter; you’re begging for a baffle strike.
Look into the buckmark camper; pre-threaded from the factory.
May 3rd, 2010 at 11:16 am
I can vouch for the 22/45. Ruger just came out with one with preinstalled 1911 grips so you don’t have to bubba it. Mine’s been working quite well since I got it. It compliments my XD with the grip angle.
Put a Pac-lite barrel on it from tactical solutions and a volksquarten trigger job and you have a sweet shooting pistol.
The 22/45 has tons of aftermarket upgrades.
May 3rd, 2010 at 11:27 am
As far as I’m aware both the YHM and the AAC are brand specific. If you go with one of those you’re stuck with their suppressors…
May 3rd, 2010 at 11:36 am
+1 for the 22/45 – a GREAT gun that is a joy to shoot. Got one for my wife, and it’s her absolute favorite – and I love to shoot it anytime she’ll let me!
May 3rd, 2010 at 11:45 am
If it didn’t have to be threaded I’d say an ISSC M22 Glock clone. I sold my P22 recently and picked a 4″ barreled one of these up. I like them much better with a aluminum slide and a heavy bull barrel. Plus my carry gun is a Glock. The newer 5.5″ ones do have a removable muzzle weight (ala the 5.0″ P22s). I bet you could get one of those threaded, but it is almost too much barrel to play with at that point and you might wnat to cut down the barrel.
Picture of the 5.5″ M22:
http://www.issc-handels-gmbh.at/images/m22_4la.jpg
May 3rd, 2010 at 11:53 am
Uncle, I recently went through this decision when buying my first can. YHM has mounts that can be had from Brightflashlights.com (he’s got an industry forum on arfcom, you can’t order from the website yet AFAIK) for around $65 apiece; the AAC units are $100 apiece. Also, the YHM units are available with many different thread options; the AAC units are more limited in application. Both use an ACME thread, I think (I know YHM does), but the mounts in their totality only fit their respective brands. People on Silencertalk.com have made Form 1 cans using the YHM flash hiders.
I’m getting set up with a .30 can that I’ll be able to use on my K-31, my AK, and my AR-15 with QD mounts.
May 3rd, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Take a long look at the Buck Marks. Simplicity is a good feature, and the Pac-Lite barrels you can use with them make them more versatile. I’ve got a holosight on mine, but I occasionally switch it out for a scope. Got a Jack Weigand mount on it that fits Weaver bases.
http://www.jackweigand.com/bbm22.html
Accuracy is pretty impressive, and the trigger is wholly adequate.
May 3rd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Uncle, with regard to the AA conversion kit — I think it’s a great training tool, very economical to shoot and well made — I have one for my Glock 23. I initially favored the 22/45 over the AA but eventually decided that I should train with what I carry. A bonus is that my wife now enjoys shooting with it. As far as accuracy, in my opinion, it is reasonably accurate but not as accurate as a dedicated .22LR pistol. AA sells a threaded barrel separately and be sure to get extra mags (kinda sucks that they only make 10rd capacity mags, though I’ve read on some forums where enterprising users have modified the mags to hold 12 or 13). It is also picky with ammo, mine only likes CCI MiniMags and Rem Golden Bullets. Hope this helps and best wishes.
May 3rd, 2010 at 1:11 pm
+1 for the Buck Mark, but the 22/45 has a good following as well.
May 3rd, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Browning Buckmark with Tactical Solutions aftermarket barrel. At the Steel Challenge every year they have a rimfire side match. The Buckmarks run reliably where some of the other .22’s don’t.
May 3rd, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Uncle, would like to hear your reason for moving from the Walther. In 2009 I bought a Outback II suppressor, a 10/22 and the Walther. Been having fun, albeit limited, with all. Since we’re on a parallel track with me bringing up the rear… any insight would be appreciated.
As for .22 conversion kits, I bought a Ciener for both my G19 and AR. Love the AR kit, but the Glock kit jams at least once per mag. Wanted to share in case you or others were considering Ciener.
Karl
May 3rd, 2010 at 1:36 pm
The P22 is just not durable enough for suppressor use. The suppressor will bang it to bits. Fine pistol. But not the best for suppressing. And I want something with a nicer trigger.
May 3rd, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Uncle,
I bought a Surefire muzzle brake for my M4. The Surefire cans fit over the muzzle brake so they are interchangeable. Plus the muzzle brake decreases the recoil on my M4 and it shoots awesome now. Hope that it helps!
May 3rd, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Look around for the best Hi-Standard M-103 (quick-change barrels) you can find. Get as many barrels for it as you can afford, then have the barrel you finally settle on threaded for your can.
The M-103 has a minimal slide mass, so it will not bash the can too badly, I think.
May 3rd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Don’t suppose that Walther could be sold for a good price to a loyal reader?
May 3rd, 2010 at 3:22 pm
maybe. a friend of mine called dibs. we’ll see how that goes.
May 3rd, 2010 at 3:29 pm
+1 for the 22/45 I own a Mark III and used to have a Mark II. I have also owned the Sig Mosquito and Walther P22. The MK3 22/45 is the best and while getting one with the bull barrel threaded is a bit of a chore, it can be done. Whats better is to order an aftermarket receiver that has the suppressor built in to the barrel assembly. I am in month 2 of waiting for my NFA paperwork to clear, paid the $200 tax and soon I will own an very nice Ruger/AAC hybrid. The barrel grows a few inches, but its snagless and super quiet. Can wait to see the look on those squirrels little faces.
May 3rd, 2010 at 3:40 pm
The Ruger MkII is a nice gun. I’ve recently had the pleasure of shooting a Browning Buckmark and liked it as well. I’m not sure about the threading the barrel issue. I know our P22 runs alot better with the sound suppressor on it. It doesn’t make sense to me.
May 3rd, 2010 at 4:34 pm
I can’t speak to suppressor use (yet) but I can recommend the Walther SP22. Its run extremely well since I bought it, out the ~600 rounds so far the only failures can be attributed to me letting it get too dirty or using cheap ammo. Its also fed fired and ejected every type of ammo I put through it thus far. Feature wise it has a last shot hold open that the conversion kits Ive seen lack and it comes with a threaded barrel like the P22 (I think P22 adapters work on it). The space gun looks of it might put some people off, but I’ve found it to be very comfortable and easy to use.
May 3rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm
No help on the suppressors, but I do have a AA conversion for my 21. I must have gotten lucky because my kit is extremely accurate. I ran over 500 rounds of Remington golden bulk pack through it with just a couple of stovepipes which I’m sure were caused by weak ammo. Once I finished that box and started on another, it started to malfunction a bit more so I cleaned and lubed it and it’s right back to performing flawlessly again.
Only down side is finding one for sale. I got lucky and found a barely used one for sale locally. Good luck.
May 3rd, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Lipseys.com has a Browning Buck Mark Camper Whisper 22 LR that comes threaded for a suppressor.
May 3rd, 2010 at 6:58 pm
My Browning Buckmark has served me well for years. I don’t have a can for it – but it’s on the wish list.
May 3rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm
You didn’t say if the .22 pistol had a specific purpose.
If you carry the Glock I’d recommend the Advantage Arms kit for it. You’d use the same trigger as your carry piece, and I believe this is invaluable.
For a separate pistol I still like the SIG Mosquito. It has controls similar to a full-sized SIG, so it’s good for training.
May 4th, 2010 at 1:03 am
Hmmm….I have a friend with thousands of rounds through his suppressed Walthar, hasn’t broken yet. He’s actually never done anything to clean it either,or so he tells me, besides run a barrel snake through and spray oil on/in it occasionally.
Bill
May 4th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
I must agree with Bill Waites @28. I don’t personally own a suppressor. I do own and have shot the P22 a lot. My buddy has a Gemtech suppressor for his P22 that he has shot a lot. After completing upgrades described in the P22 Bible, we’ve had almost zero problems of any kind when using quality ammo, and with regular cleaning every 450-500 rounds or so. The post P22 bible upgraded pistol is as reliable as my Walther P99AS in .40 cal. Less than one failure of any kind per thousand rounds for the last 14,300 rounds! (not counting a handful of ammunition that seems to have had faulty primers…) I can’t see walking away from the P-22 unless your carry gun is a Sig in which case you should get a Mosquito, or if you carry a 1911, a Kimber 1911 A-22 pistol.
I have no useful advice about an AR suppressor except to say my buddy has been very happy with his Gemtech for use with .22 LR. It’s still going strong after more than 10,000 rounds, and he doesn’t baby it. Based on this limited observations I believe Gemtech makes a high quality product for a reasonable price.
May 6th, 2010 at 10:33 am
I loved my P22 and was sad to see it go but so far I’m really liking my ISSC M22. The main reason I switched is because of it’s similarity to my carry gun. One day when I can afford more guns, I will probably buy another P22 for my daughter when she is of age.
But partly there was a nagging issue that was rattling around the back of my head with a P22, and it may be Uncle’s issue, the pot metal slide. Yes, the P22 Bible is a great resource and can allow you to fix every other possible problem with the P22 if you want to (and usually that is a want, not a need to get it to run). But it seems that that pot metal slide is giving more and more people problems. Yes, I’m pretty sure my former P22 slide will continue to run for a long time, but just seeing those slides break just makes me wonder. Granted, it seems S&W will replace the slides without issues, it’s just that I only own one .22 pistol and I don’t want to be without it for the month or two that S&W is going to take to fix it. Those of you that the P22 is just a fun toy and own other .22 pistols have more of a reason to be ok with it (and I would have been too at that point). Right now I can only afford one so I sold the P22 to fund the M22 that I wanted more.