Quote of the Day
Michel Bloomberg on the ground zero mosque:
On Sept. 11, 2001, thousands of first responders heroically rushed to the scene and saved tens of thousands of lives. More than 400 of those first responders did not make it out alive. In rushing into those burning buildings, not one of them asked, ‘What God do you pray to?’ ‘What beliefs do you hold?’
Indeed. This mosque thing seems a big to-do over nothing. People have their houses of worship, no matter which invisible man in the sky the pray to.
Bloomy, he continues:
The attack was an act of war, and our first responders defended not only our city, but our country and our constitution. We do not honor their lives by denying the very constitutional rights they died protecting. We honor their lives by defending those rights and the freedoms that the terrorists attacked.
That’s some fucking balls right there. Bloomberg, who hasn’t seen a constitutional right or freedom he won’t try to crush in a minute, is usually too busy passing laws limiting transfat, sodas, and salt intake.
August 4th, 2010 at 9:08 am
While I also think the mosque thing is overblown, I imagine Bloomie’s more worried about capitulating to to Muslims than protecting Constitutional rights.
August 4th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Three reasons tha I don’t think the “mosque thing is overblown”:
Why next to Ground Zero?
Why call it Cordoba House?
Why schedule to open it 9/11/2011?
Anyone with any knowlege of Islamic history knows that this is a slap in the face. Trust me, the significance is not lost on the Arab world. Bonus exit question – where did the $100MM come from? There are already plenty of mosques in New York. This one is Islam’s way of tagging the site of their victory.
And yes, Michael Bloomberg is an idiot.
August 4th, 2010 at 9:30 am
why should we care?
August 4th, 2010 at 9:33 am
“why should we care?”
Been to Europe lately?
August 4th, 2010 at 9:34 am
when it starts to look like that, it’s time to care.
August 4th, 2010 at 9:38 am
“when it starts to look like that, it’s time to care.”
The “time to care” is long before it gets to that point. But that’s just my opinion. Personally, I’m almost willing to write off NYC anyway…
August 4th, 2010 at 10:01 am
I’ve gotta agree with Diogenes here. Europe is past the tipping point where freedom and liberty can overcome an assault from within from Islamic radicalism. Had the Europeans realized this ten years ago, they could have dealt with the problem in a civilized manner. Now, Europe will become Eurabia or something very unpleasant in the other direction. Neither outcome is good.
August 4th, 2010 at 10:02 am
I’m with Diogenes. If we wait to care until we look like Europe it will already be far too late.
The time to stop this nonsense is now, “by whatever means necessary”.
August 4th, 2010 at 10:07 am
“The “time to care” is long before it gets to that point. But that’s just my opinion. Personally, I’m almost willing to write off NYC anyway…”
heh, Remember this one?
http://www.theonion.com/video/country-music-stars-challenge-alqaeda-with-patriot,14172/
August 4th, 2010 at 11:03 am
I don’t know what’s more absurd, Micheal Bloomberg acting as if putting a victory mosque on top of the corpses of the American victims of Jihad, or the fact that you agree with Bloomberg, Unc.
Groom’s Law states that if you find yourself agreeing with your mortal enemy on an issue that your allies disagree with you about, it’s time to re-examine your position.
August 4th, 2010 at 11:17 am
I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. We must fight against Muslim encroachment at all times. If we give an inch they will cut our fucking heads off. You really should study our enemy more closely. They don’t care about peace – the only thing they want us to do is convert, become slaves, or die!
August 4th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Its more than a little saddening to see some of the comments here that so casually toss aside the principles of private property rights, which essentially form the foundation upon which all the rest of our rights are based.
If the price we pay for “survival” is looking a lot more like Iran or China, I’m not so sure I wouldn’t rather perish….
August 4th, 2010 at 11:52 am
I’m with ParatrooperJJ. The tenets of Islam and Sharia(inseparable to Moslems) are fundamentally at odds with western freedom. A goodly chunk of the American populace chooses to ignore that fact to all our peril. Islam is not a religion in any way that we can really comprehend. It’s a death cult. We should treat it the way the Germans treat the neo-nazis. Outlaw it. Stigmatize it. Stamp it out.
(and yes, I realize how that sounds)
If a couple of Bubbas in TN started a new ‘religion’ that required them to: (1) force others to live like them, or (2) be slaves to them, or (3) die… How would western civilization / American society react?
August 4th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Its more than a little saddening to see some of the comments here that so casually toss aside the principles of private property rights, which essentially form the foundation upon which all the rest of our rights are based.
The right to do a thing is not at all the same as being right in doing it.
And stating your opinion that the damn thing is unspeakably rude isn’t infringing on anyone’s rights.
August 4th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
I thought it was being built a few blocks away from Ground Zero. Is that not the case?
August 4th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
It’s being built two blocks away. I find nothing to say that it is opening on 9/11. Wikipedia says building will begin on 9/11 but I don’t know where they got that info from.
August 4th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
“I thought it was being built a few blocks away from Ground Zero. Is that not the case?”
Close enough that a chuck of landing gear came through the roof that day…
August 4th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
I have to say I find this an especially hard question. The problem with the Freedom of Religion in this case is that the radicals in Islam see this as a foot hold and a point of mission for them. They intentionally picked it to show their own ability to abuse our freedoms.
I’d have more sympathy for their rights, but they aren’t putting a mosque in to benefit anyone in NYC. They are there to perform Dawa.
Read the whole thing. It’s pretty informative. People in the US have been far to complacent in understanding just what the most powerful parts of Islam really want to do with the world.
August 4th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Unc, I’m really impressed with you here (in particular; you’re pretty great everywhere else too). It’s just sad to see how many blogs have their heads up their right-wing asses that they can’t see the constitution and provide the protections it guarantees to groups that aren’t popular (especially when firearms are concerned).
I don’t get a great feeling thinking about a mosque that close to Ground Zero, but who the fuck is the state to say where I can’t worship, Muslim or Christian? If I want to build a mosque or a synagogue or a church on my property, that’s my prerogative. If they can buy PRIVATE property, then who are we to castigate them? Jesus, guys, think for a second. The govt should keep their damn hands OFF our private property, even if it offends others. Sure, it offends me to see an Islamic monument next to Ground Zero, but goddammit I’m an AMERICAN and I can recognize that my “offense” shouldn’t prohibit the free expression of religion. Grow up, people!
August 4th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Well said, AlexH.
August 4th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
I think that the jews should build a synagogue right next door and a church on the other side just to make things fair.
August 4th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
I like John’s idea. Fair is fair 🙂
August 5th, 2010 at 12:10 am
When I hear an UberLiberal Multi-Billionaire Lifer Politician speaking about the “Constitution” and “Rights”, who is leading an effort to take my RKBA away while appeasing a group who has supported Hamas, I wonder if I haven’t been time-warped back to England and I see Neville Chamberlain waving a piece of paper he got from Hitler, crowing about “Peace in Our Time”. As to Dawa, anyone wonder why the Tallest building in the world is sitting in Dubai, and it happens to be a lot taller than what will be built (some decade in the future) at Ground Zero? Screw it. I’ll call it Even when a Deranged pack of Methodists fly a 747 into that structure in Dubai and THEY lose a couple of thousand of “The Faithful”, but I ain’t holding my breath on that happening any time soon.
August 5th, 2010 at 2:09 am
I am willing to bet that the money for the mosque came from the same people who support Islamic terrorism worldwide – the Saudi Royal Family. And if that is irrelevant to you, I wonder why you don’t think what happened first in the Middle East, then North Africa, then Central Asia, and is now happening in Europe wont happen here – like it is happening in Dearborn Michigan right now.
August 5th, 2010 at 9:01 am
There was a greek orthodox church at ground zero that hasn’t been rebuilt. In fact it is being limited in size by the government. Funny how it’s ok to limit them. Imagine if it had been a mosque.
Oh and by the way, my revulsion over the whole thing has nothing to do with the constitutional rights. I have no issue with them taking possession of the property within their constitutional rights. My issue is that so many people think this is harmless and a good, when quite clearly it is NOT. Those cheering for this project as based on rights may want to actually learn a little bit about the culture. No doubt under dimitude you’ll enjoy paying taxes to them to live.
August 5th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Property rights! The Constitution! Tolerance! …..
My ass! These murderers attacked the fabric of American Life and now they are going to shit on the graves of our dead. The Constitution affirms the right to pray as you see fit, but it does not give blanket permission to put a church or synagogue or mosque wherever you wish. You think you have property rights, try to raise livestock in this same location.
According to the courts, you have the right of expression to burn the American Flag, but I’m still going to cold cock you if I see it happen.
Tolerance…fuck them! When I can recite Kaddish for my dead fellow Americans in the Mecca Shul, they can build a mosque where the shadow of the towers fell.
August 6th, 2010 at 10:36 am
No one is suggesting, I don’t think, that the GOVERNMENT prohibit the building of this mosque. Rather, the uproar is an attempt to get the property owner, which, to my knowledge, is not the group seeking to build the mosque, to reconsider allowing the mosque to be built. There is nothing at all wrong with that, nor is it an infringement on anyone’s rights. It’s like boycotting a company for supporting a TV show you find offensive. That is not an infringement on the First Amendment, it is an attempt to influence a private organization to do something you want it to do. The Constitution does not limit the power of the people, and the people have every right to peaceably express their opinion to private organizations through such means.
August 6th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
If you aren’t aware that we actually are at war with a religion (Islam), you’re probably not paying attention. Of course, admitting that in these modern times would fly right in the face of political correctness. Can’t have that.