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December 13th, 2011 at 10:37 am
7 rounds in my 242, thank you very much. In a gun that weighs under 20 ounces with a full size grip.
With an 8-round speedloader, which I will grant you is not as fast as a mag change – but really not that far behind – I have 15 round capacity, the same as a 1911…
December 13th, 2011 at 10:40 am
And almost the same as one magazine in a Glock 19!
December 13th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Yeah, but it’s in the manly and established .38 Special caliber, not that newfangled 9mm…
December 13th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Loving my FNP .45 quite a bit these days. 14 and 15 round mags are pretty sweet.
December 13th, 2011 at 11:05 am
I sometimes carry a 9mm for the reasons that you articulate but let me play devil’s advocate here and say that the linked photo tells us very little about real world stopping power. I think that ballistic gel tests and mathmatical formulas can give us a starting point for discussion but there are so many variables involved in the real world that in many cases we don’t even know what we don’t know.
I think that Evan Marshall and Ed Sanow were on the right track. Studying real shootings is gruesome work and is less satisfying to some because it more subjective and less scientific but it has the best chance of giving us reliable information, at least until we discover the grand unifying theory.
December 13th, 2011 at 11:07 am
I thought that our grand unifying theory was “Free guns for all non-felons.”?
December 13th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Yup.
December 13th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Again, it’s not what you shoot. It’s where the boolit[s] hit. Farmers kill sick cows all day with .22lr.
December 13th, 2011 at 11:43 am
9mm is on the list for the next [set] of semi-auto pistols for a slightly different reason.
The wife can properly run the manual of arms on a 9mm semi-auto with her disability (radial nerve palsy) in her dominant hand without issue. Her wrist however doesn’t have the strength to do the manual of arms on my full size 1911. We thought about .40 since she seems to be able to do that one thought she said it was noticeably more effort. For those unfamiliar with the condition, imagine not being able to move any of the muscles on top of your wrist and forearm. You can’t open your hand or lift your wrist. Everything has to be done with the muscles on the underside of the arm which if they become too strong or tight can damage the top tendons still holding things together.
So cheaper, easier to shoot, more ammo, and when faced with a disability it’s more favorable too.
Side note: I’ve had a 9mm on my list for a while now since it’s lighter recoil to help train new shooters. Bumping to .45 with no mid ground sucks.
December 13th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
JayG is right! That 9mm came out 3 years after .38 Special was established. Dang Johnny Come Latelies.
December 13th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
This is America, Damn it! More is ALWAYS Better! ; )
Seriously, with all the Lightweight, Polymer Framed, Single Stack “Pocket Rockets” out today AND the fact that the Goblins/GangBangers/Street Thugs seem to be working in Packs using HiCaps, carrying a Revolver out on the Streets, even in those “VolksRepubliks” where over 10 rounds is “Verboten,” does cut the odds down in favor of the Bad Guys.
Want Proof? How many Police Depts issue Revolvers anymore?
So until the day arrives where one can Open Carry an M-4 all over the Republic, HiCaps are the best Choice for the Armed Civilian.
December 13th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
In reference to the ballistic gel pictures, depth of penetration is less important than the width of the “cone of injury.” The depth of penetration used to be irrelevant after 12″ (the approximate depth of the torso) but with obesity rates being what they are, maybe we should bump it to 24″. However, it is the cone of injury which determines the level of trauma inflicted.
This is that cone shaped cavity formed (see the photo) which in flesh would slap back together behind the projectile. This opening then rapid closing causes the damage by ripping tissues that are not even in the projectile’s immediate path. You will notice that the other calibers (including the .40) do have a greater width in their cone of injury, thus more immediate trauma, which means more bleeding and thus entering hypotension (shock) more quickly. The size of the cone of injury is a function of the bullet’s shape, velocity, and size (not weight, so this is different than force of impact). In short, I think the case can still be made for 9mm being less effective even though ballistics may be similar.
All that being said, anybody with trauma experience will tell you that placement is much more critical than size and I guess you can always shoot them a few times. So carry whatever feels right, it will still be more effective than calling 911 or blowing your rape whistle.
December 13th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Well, my new .357/.38+P wheelgun holds eight and reloads pretty damned snappy, but it’s not exactly an easily concealable piece.
I’d still like a really nice customized Hi-Power. Fifteen in the magazine is enough for me.
December 13th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Am rather impressed that pdb’s post has been commented upon for nearly three years. Myself, I went from a 1911 to a hi-cap .45 due to multiple-goblin incidents. But I am seeing a M&P 9mm in my immediate future.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:01 am
Pretty silly then for the FBI to issue .40 S&W if 9mm is so perfect.
In my opinion, the platform matters more than the caliber. And matching shooter to platform is most important of all.
That being said, If a shooter can handle a larger caliber adequately, trading that greater power for more ammunition capacity seems like a crazy bargain. Most handgun ammunition is pretty weak already.