Moore v. Madigan
And then, there were none. Well, sort of. I mean, try getting a permit in NY, MA or CA.
Seems to me the losers were trying to re-argue Heller, a settled matter.
And this keeps happening. The Second Amendment Foundation scores a huge victory. And the NRA jumps in and tries to claim credit. The NRA should just hire the SAF guys and turn them loose.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Nothing is settled until they win.
NOTHING.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
The NRA did not jump in… The Moore case was combined with the Shepard case and heard together.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Yeah, they did. Just like Heller. Remember Parker v. DC?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Shepard and Moore were both filed on the same day.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Yes I remember… I also remember Gura calling the NRA out and them getting way less stupid about judicial challenges.
In this particular case, they both deserve credit. They both spent a lot of time and capital on this case.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Hawaii is the worst offender. While technically Hawaii does have a “may issue” permit system, the last time I checked, they only had issued one permit, ever, and that was to the Armorer for the Honolulu PD.
So, all this talk about “every state but Illinois” isn’t actually true. If you have a permit system, but never issue permits, than you can’t really count that state.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Excellent. The next step is to challenge may issue on equal protection grounds. I would love to see the stats that come out in discovery about the avg income of people in NY and CA that have managed to swing a permit.
December 12th, 2012 at 12:20 am
Except SAF didn’t score a huge victory. Both the NRA’s case (Shepard) and SAF’s case(Moore) were joined at the 7th Circuit. You can’t say this was just an SAF victory and ignore Shepard.
As for McDonald, let’s not forget, Gura argued privileges and immunities and was mocked by the Chief Justice and Justice Scalito. NRA argued due process and it was that argument that prevailed in McDonald, not P&I.
December 12th, 2012 at 1:08 am
Lot of CCW holders in Kali.
Kinda easy if your county is less than 200,000, harder in the big cities.
Check CALGUN’s page and it will link to how many holders in each county.
December 12th, 2012 at 1:37 am
Both “sides” can legitimately take credit here. Moore v. Madigan was merged with Shepherd v. Madigan. We’d be far better of dispensing with all this bullshit about who deserves credit for what.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:03 am
@Rob Reed: “Hawaii is the worst offender. While technically Hawaii does have a ‘may issue’ permit system, the last time I checked, they only had issued one permit, ever, and that was to the Armorer for the Honolulu PD.”
You mean Thomas Magnum carried without a permit?!?!
December 12th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Kevin beat me by mere minutes. Guess I shouldna read everyone else’s comments. GMTA.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:14 am
>Both “sides” can legitimately take credit here. Moore v. Madigan was merged with Shepherd v. Madigan. We’d be far better of dispensing with all this bullshit about who deserves credit for what.
It’s just people pointing out that the NRA never, ever share credit anyone else. Like the NRA lives in some kind of vacuum or something.
If you ask me, this hurts their credibility to a small degree. I’ve always had the sense that I’m getting the straight dope from the NRA on the issues when reporting on the RKBA.
Unfortunately, after years of sharing the spotlight, it seems that the SAF is following suit. I don’t agree with this, but I guess I can’t blame them.
It would be really good idea, for the sake of the RKBA goals we all support, if these two great organizations could shake hands and start to show a little common courtesy to each other, if not outright start working together.