Zimmerman Not Guilty
Zimmerman is not guilty on all counts. Good.
Seems laws and facts trump race baiting and emotion.
Update: What she said.
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July 13th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
So, how long until Obama & Holder have Zimmerman arrested on civil rights charges?
July 13th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Hell, Obama and Holder are the ones who need to be arrested on civil rights charges.
July 13th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
So, if my 90 year old grandmother pisses me off and i cuss her out, and then she hits me with a cane, I can ventilate her?
July 13th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Only if she’s currently bashing your head into pavement.
July 13th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Yeah, but she scared me to death, so i am justifed. I guess it now all a matter of degree. I thought situational ethics was a “liberal” thing.
July 13th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
There’s a fairly big difference between your 90 year old grandmother and a 6′ male.
There’s also no evidence that Zimmerman initiated the fight.
There IS a witness that placed Martin on top of Zimmerman beating on him “MMA ground and pound” style.
But I guess these are inconvenient facts that get in the way of your narrative.
July 13th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Oh, you’re serious? I thought you were just making a ridiculous comment to be snarky and responded with one equally ludicrous.
If you’re serious, I can’t help you.
July 13th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
C’mon. He was told to stay in the car. Anyhow, any violent crime involving a gun in Florida other than in the commission of another felony or in the first degree can get a Stand Your Ground defense. Right?
July 13th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
So? A 911 dispatcher’s orders aren’t, uhm, orders. For liability reasons. I don’t know that stand your ground even came into play here.
July 14th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Even Duty to Retreat States have an exemption when it’s physically impossible to, you know, retreat.
And yes, the whole point of self defense law is that when lethal force is and is not legally justified is situational.
July 14th, 2013 at 12:05 am
That’s all well and good, but any defense attorney worth a fuck who has a client who blew away someone who was unarmed is going to claim it.
July 14th, 2013 at 12:07 am
And win. Especially when their client was, at the time, bashing their skull into concrete.
July 14th, 2013 at 12:36 am
Metulj, the self-defense must be objectively reasonable. If you have an honest belief that you must use deadly force to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or to prevent a felony, but viewed objectively your honest belief is not reasonable, you are not off scot-free, you are guilty of manslaughter (but not murder).
July 14th, 2013 at 1:07 am
Metulj, this case had nothing to do with “stand your ground” law, it was classic common law self defense.
July 14th, 2013 at 1:12 am
“C’mon. He was told to stay in the car”
Nope, he wasn’t. Don’t lie about it. As a matter of fact, when he was in his truck he was told to “Let us know what he’s doing” and “Which way did he run?”. It was only AFTER he’d gotten out of the car and gone some distance that the non-police dispatcher *suggested* to him that they didn’t need him to follow.
July 14th, 2013 at 1:14 am
Think back to the first things you heard about this story and contrast it with the facts presented at the trial :
A white, racist Florida hick gunned Martin down for being black and wearing a hoody in Zimmerman’s neighborhood.
Florida’s stand your ground law means that you can shoot someone dead, tell the cops it was self defense and they’ll shrug, haul away the body, and tell the shooter to have a nice day.
The police didn’t investigate the killing.
The police didn’t even take Zimmerman in for questioning.
There was no fight; Zimmerman executed him as he walked down the sidewalk.
Zimmerman calls 911 and says ‘this guy looks suspicious because he’s black’
Zimmerman had called 911 something like 18 times that month and decided to take matters into his own hands.
Zimmerman lied about being attacked.
A crappy security video from the police station when they questioned him proves that Zimmerman had no injuries (sometimes said by the same people who claimed he was never questioned)
Sure, he might have a bloody nose but there is no wound on the back of his head.
At the time, Trayvon Martin was a ten year old in a red sweatshirt.
How many people remember the first thing they heard but not any clarifications.
July 14th, 2013 at 2:36 am
If you end up shooting your 90a year old grandma, Ill make sure the news gets a picture of her when she was ten.
No one gives a shit about this verdict, its all about being part of “the experience.” By feigning outrage and shock, you too can channel your inner narcissistic drama queen and make it all about you. Preferably via twitter.
July 14th, 2013 at 4:02 am
I thought situational ethics was a “liberal” thing.
Favoring aggressors over self-defenders for the purpose of police state salesmanship is the “Leftist thing”.
(Leftism !- liberalism. Don’t be confusing the two.)
July 14th, 2013 at 4:03 am
Here in Washington state, the state would have to pay all of Zimmerman’s legal costs. Now that’s awesome. For some reason the lefty’s hate this law 😛
July 14th, 2013 at 4:11 am
All of that being said, it was still stupid for Zimmerman to follow him. Not illegal, just stupid.
July 14th, 2013 at 5:04 am
Ben, in FL they have to pay his legal costs plus his lost wages.
July 14th, 2013 at 6:19 am
I don’t know about it being “stupid” to follow Martin. It looks stupid given the outcome, but this was an unusual outcome by almost any standard.
In any case, there’s little point in arguing with people like Metulj over facts. He hasn’t obviously kept up with the case, which is why most of his facts are wrong. And let’s face it–even if we had a video of the whole thing backing up Zimmerman’s side of the story down to the last detail, people like Metulj would still want Zimmerman in jail for life. It’s not about facts, it’s about the political narrative. We already know that.
July 14th, 2013 at 7:02 am
correct me if i’m wrong but isn’t the whole reason trayvon martin was even in that neighborhood because he was so disrespectful to his mother that she threw him out of the house and told him to go live with his father
July 14th, 2013 at 7:03 am
Markie Marxist sez: “Zimmerman’s acquittal was caused by global warming! Really it was! Ask any of my commie compadres! They won’t deny it!”
July 14th, 2013 at 8:52 am
@Blackman: Actually, it was because he was suspended from school for the 5th time that school year. Reasons for the suspensions were: vandalism of school buildings, fighting, drug possession, possession of stolen property, and possession of burglary tools.
Pictures found in his phone included pictures of himself with guns, drugs, and large amounts of cash. Texts found in his phone talked about buying guns and selling “plant” to his associates.
I think it’s pretty clear what type of person he was. Every time one of these guys gets caught, he was always a choirboy waiting for a bus and minding his own business.
This guy thought he would teach a soft looking, creepy ass cracker a lesson about respect by committing a felonious assault, and found out too late that Florida allows citizens to carry guns for those types of occasions. One less scum bag in the world.
July 14th, 2013 at 10:05 am
S
Well, first off, you cannot “ventilate her”. You may be able to justify using force that has a high probability of causing death or serious injury to stop her, if
You can prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that she was
a) continuing to beat you with her cane and had not just struck you then stopped and,
b) that a reasonable and prudent person would have a reasonable fear, real or not, that it was imminent that her actions would cause you death or serious bodily injury if she was not stopped.
I would suspect that you’d fair better if you demonstrated how her first blow somehow incapacitated you so that you were unable to overpower your 90-yr old grandmother or run away. Stand your Ground may be the law, but grandmas and hickories have a deep tradition in common law.
July 14th, 2013 at 10:29 am
“C’mon. He was told to stay in the car”
Dang, Toby, you don’t know the first thing about this case. Let me see if I can help you out, brother.
Zimmerman was on the phone with a non-emergency dispatcher named Sean Noffke. Zimmerman said he was following the person. The dispatcher didn’t say “don’t do that.” He said “OK, we don’t need you to do that.”
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
He never ordered Zimmerman not to follow the guy. Furthermore, at that point Zimmerman was alredy out of his truck. Wind chimes can be heard in the call recording.
At trial, the dispatcher (quoting from the link below) “testified that, because of liability concerns, police dispatchers are trained to make suggestions to callers rather than issue commands.”
http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/24/police-dispatcher-testifies-that-george
July 14th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
So as one of the few people in the United States who are alive and have SHOT at a 17-year old “Troubled Youth” in the South while following the “Instructions” of the Police Dispatcher” while waiting and waiting and waiting for the Police because the THUG in question would NOT Back Off, I will say that this whole Circus was “Ginned Up” by the Professional Racists like Sharpton and Holder and Obama. Why?
Because when I pulled the Trigger, it was a “White on White Crime” that barely made the weekly Police Blotter in the local press.
So if there’s any “No Justice, No Peace!” needed, it should be aimed at the NAACP, Sharpton, Holder and the White House.
And the Fired Police Chief of Sanford, Fla. should sue the Pants off the City, along with Zimmerman.
And I hope that the State of Florida gives him his CHP and Kel-Tec back.
And Zimmerman goes to a GOOD School like Mas Ayoobs where they grind into one’s head just what the Legal Ramifications of a Shooting involves.
Because Zimmerman now has to carry 24/7, because the Professional Racists have put a Bounty on his head.
And he needs a better Pistol with more Capacity.
Because they aren’t called “Gangsters” for nothing.
July 14th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
He got his gun “back” within minutes of acquittal, all evidence was ordered released by the judge. There’s just the minimal process time to go sign for it.
Not sure if his permit was revoked or suspended but I think it is again automatically valid as there’s no discretion under Florida law for the state to keep it.
It’d be tacky but given the market for crime memorabilia Zimmerman could probably sell that Kel-tec for a bundle if he needed the cash.
July 14th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Well, it is always fun to see people obsess over these little cases.
Then there’s this forgotten woman: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/
Again, you can pick a fight, get your ass kicked, the shoot the person who is kicking your ass. Causality matters not.
Les: still waiting to know why gold is a good investment. 🙂
July 14th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Metulj,
Her defense should have been, she was just following the Vice Presidents advice. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/20/joe-biden-shotgun-advice-could-land-jill-biden-in-jail
Regarding, you can pick a fight, get your ass kicked, then shoot the person who is kicking your ass. Yes, that is true and has been for a long long time. Nothing new there.
July 14th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Metulj,
“Yeah, but she scared me to death, so i am justifed. I guess it now all a matter of degree.”
Bullshit.
Would a
1) reasonable and prudent person
2) in the EXACT SAME situation
3) knowing what you knew at the time
be in reasonable fear of imminent and unavoidable death or grievous bodily harm.
I think any reasonable and prudent person would agree that your example was idiotic.
July 14th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Metulj,
“Again, you can pick a fight…”
If you have evidence Zimmerman picked a fight, the prosecutor sure could have used it, because he didn’t have a goddam bit of it. The defense, on the other hand, had some evidence the jury seemed to find compelling that Martin, after successfully breaking contact, returned to break Zimmerman’s nose.
How’d that happen, sport, since Martin was just trying to get away?
July 14th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Speaking of picking a fight and getting your ass kicked, this thread has been a fine example of just that.
July 14th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
“Well, it is always fun to see people obsess over these little cases.”
Shorter Toby – “I don’t know what I’m talking about and got called out by the people who do. And now I’ll cough up the same story about the FL woman who fired a warning shot as everybody else on Facebook.”
As far as gold. I’ve sold on the way up and the way down and made lots of money, thanks to buying when gold was at $750. Yourself?
July 14th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
The MArissa Alexander case, and similar ones I’ve seen cited in that vein, were “warning shot” cases.
This is an artifact of the legal idea that if you don’t reasonbly believe a person to be a threat, you shouldn’t be shooting at all; as a result, actually hitting someone is paradoxically less problematic than trying to warn them off in the hope of nobody getting hurt.
If you’re really worried about that case, work to reform legal considerations of warning shots, perhaps – and you might want to tackle mandatory minimums while you are at it.
July 14th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
We who read gun blogs were aware of this case almost immediatley and were pretty dismissive of GZ at first. Until we got more details.
Most of the evidence at the trial I was aware of and knew, so I always thought trying him for murder was not a good idea. It was classic self defense case.
On the ground and being pounded.
TM choose poorly when he attacked GZ.
The lesson I hope these idiot young men take is not to attack someone when they are followed. The person they attack may be armed.
That is how an armed society becomes a polite society.
July 15th, 2013 at 12:39 am
RAH… Amen.
July 15th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Hey what about justice for Jonathan Johnson? Oh, no one cares about him.
July 15th, 2013 at 11:20 am
Johnson was a terrible pitcher, Ron W. The Braves were right to keep him in the minors.
July 15th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Metulj,
The Florida woman was unable to show she had a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury since she purposely fired shots aimed not to physically stop the threat. Instead she fired “warning shots” which don’t exist since any shot fired at or in the vicinity of another person is deadly force.
It was only a few years ago, since corrected by the legislature, that it was illegal to draw your firearm without shooting the other person in Kansas. The opinion of the Kansas Supreme Court was if you pulled your firearm, the other person needed to bleed.
July 15th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
nk, I guess the Braves were just in that. But then I was writing about another 17 year old black teen here in Nashville who was gunned down in cold blooded murder by another young man of the same skin color. But then no one outside his family and neighborhood cares….no politicial pretext.
July 15th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Metulj,
If you pick the fight, you cannot then claim self-defense, UNLESS you make every reasonable effort to break contact and withdraw from the fight, and teh other person keeps hitting you.
Sorry actual self-defense law doesn’t correspond to your propaganda world of lies, or your preferred world of fear, racist prosecution, and persecution of victims.
July 15th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Ron W, I was joking. I Googled Jonathan Johnson after I saw your comment and I even used crime words in the searches, and the Johnathan Johnson you mean did not show up. I guess you’re right. I’m in Chicago, anyway. Most recent statistics, about 87% of homicides will be young men of color and only one in four will be solved.
July 15th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
George Zimmerman wants his gun back. His attorney says George feels he wouldn’t be here today had not been carrying a loaded weapon. I think the weapon embolden Zimmerman, giving him a false sense of authority to stalk an innocent teenager. Had George he stayed in his car and allowed the police to follow up, Trayvon would be alive today today too. Zimmerman’s brother is only now worried about people who will “take the law into their own hands” and be “vigilantes in some sense.” Right. Like any civilian carrying a loaded gun, chasing strangers. Justice for Trayvon Martin will be a dramatic shift in the attitudes towards loaded guns on the streets and neighborhoods of America.
July 15th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
New eyewitness report. Just before Zim attacked Martin, Martin was heard saying “Dude, I don’t know what your problem is, but I’m just visiting my Pops in Sanford and I’m on my way back to his house to watch some ball. It’s right there. You can see his porch light. Follow me if you want, douchebag.”
July 15th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nSGb6waE8
’nuff said.